Abyssea Discussion

[finzenku]

Only way to get Atma seems to be by exploiting an NMs special weakness mentioned in Square's notes. From the sound of it this is not the same as *damage* weakness. When its weakness is hit it might not necessarily cause much damage but the result is impaired movement/abilities. Note the bits about using magic WS' and killing blows.

We did Marvin yesterday, first abyssea run. I don't really understand what's so hard about this nm, we killed it with ease with a pt of 8.
Edit: idk if it was me sucking with hate or mob resistance, but marvin took 50% dmg from atonement.

Marvin's weakness could be Atonement. Was the key item an atma?

My LS had a rough time with Marvin but it was because of the whirl claw and foot kick spam. We had no PLDs in our run. I didn't notice any difference in Sanguine Blade from my BLU though.

[Arthars]

the bird was easy with 12 ppl. We had blue mages, SCHs, PLDs RDMs and mnk/sams as DDs.

The rabbit was omfg hard. We tried kiting and str8 tanking and he is just too beast with his 3k+ wild carrots. His aoe takes up 2 shadows but if you get hit, you take over 1000 dmg. He restores his health 3k and spams it. They were japanese and I was trying to find his atma weakness and I tried all my mnk weaponskills and we tried flash, enfeebles, earth shots nothing was working. Hes just way too strong for a pt of 12 lvl 77s.

killed rabbit with 3 man, all dual box

80NIN+80WHM, 80BST+76RDM, 78THF+76COR

used ninja roll and THF + ninja bouncing hate to tank

came close to dying a few times but WHM/RDM is fast enough to top off everyone and convert is omfg sexy in a slightly long fight

dropped 2 magian item only :\ but the fight is not hard at all

however maybe larger grp makes NM tougher idk

[Emdief]

Just checked, Scarlet abyssite of lenity. No clue what's for.

[Arthars]

so no one manage to get the abyssite that prolong abyssea stay per stone yet? XD

[Shamaya]

There has been great contribution in this thread, it's pretty epic how much information has been compiled so far.

With the basic structure of the Abyssia system coming to light, I'm thinking that the best thing people can do to start off is get a lot of cruor, then get key items (extension, map, possibly cheaper teleport cost) for the three zones as well as activating the conflux teleporters in there.

So with this in mind I entered Abyssia for the frist time today with the goal of maximizing cruor. I decided to try Failure's idea of going in with 12 in an ally; essentially 2 merit parties, and fight close to each other. By his estimates, it might be possible to get 2-3k+ cruor every 30 minutes. I chose La'Theine Bird & Bee camp. Well... it didn't work out so well. Worked out to about 500 cruor every 30 minutes. Here's probably why,

-Very few chests popped (this is supposed to be key to getting cruor, no?) About only 1 chest for each PT in the first 20 minutes.
-Chests (red) did not give exp or cruor. They simply gave a message such as "Shamaya's body emits a feeble ruby light!" Awesome...
-Mobs gave only about 20cruor/kill
-Our parties were too far from one another to share exp/cruor from kills. We could try readjusting next time though. But it seems like multiple parties can camp a single species of mob at once. Is this advisable?
-The NM, Piasa, popped on one of the parties and raped it while it was in the middle of a couple mobs and was unprepared.
-Ephymeral (glowy) mobs give crummy exp to an ally of 12. Iirc, like ~50 cruor and ~125ish exp. Wasn't really worth the time. Killed one later as a trio and it was very much worth it, 500exp/350cruor.
-Perhaps most important, alliance-based farm is really hard to pull off with pickups 1 week into the update. Was too hard to get anyone with more than a single Traverser Stone, and it took about an hour to get a balanced 12. I could see it working much better with all friends or LS, using ventrilo, with everybody knowing what to do instead of just me >,<. But until most pickups know what to do and have at least 1.5 hours to burn, I can't see a double merit party style being easy to do through shouts alone.

Anyway, all I can say to contribute at this point is that if you're looking to farm cruor in Abyssia through pick-up-groups, I would advise that everyone have at least 3 traverser stones, and that you don't take in more than a party.

[Toth]

I think one thing we should focus on now is what solo experiences one can do in Abyssea every 30 mins. I see some quests give 200 cruor. Are they repeatable I wonder.

Also, are there any decent solo camps that one can spend 30 mins farming for cruor?

Finally, what exactly is the aggro situation there? I understand the notion of gainign malice for kills and attracting enemies. If one goes in fresh and kills not one mob, will all mobs ignore them or do some still aggro without sneak, invis, or both?

[FailureMidgard]

There has been great contribution in this thread, it's pretty epic how much information has been compiled so far.

With the basic structure of the Abyssia system coming to light, I'm thinking that the best thing people can do to start off is get a lot of cruor, then get key items (extension, map, possibly cheaper teleport cost) for the three zones as well as activating the conflux teleporters in there.

So with this in mind I entered Abyssia for the frist time today with the goal of maximizing cruor. I decided to try Failure's idea of going in with 12 in an ally; essentially 2 merit parties, and fight close to each other. By his estimates, it might be possible to get 2-3k+ cruor every 30 minutes. I chose La'Theine Bird & Bee camp. Well... it didn't work out so well. Worked out to about 500 cruor every 30 minutes. Here's probably why,

-Very few chests popped (this is supposed to be key to getting cruor, no?) About only 1 chest for each PT in the first 20 minutes.
-Chests (red) did not give exp or cruor. They simply gave a message such as "Shamaya's body emits a feeble ruby light!" Awesome...
-Mobs gave only about 20cruor/kill
-Our parties were too far from one another to share exp/cruor from kills. We could try readjusting next time though. But it seems like multiple parties can camp a single species of mob at once. Is this advisable?
-The NM, Piasa, popped on one of the parties and raped it while it was in the middle of a couple mobs and was unprepared.
-Ephymeral (glowy) mobs give crummy exp to an ally of 12. Iirc, like ~50 cruor and ~125ish exp. Wasn't really worth the time. Killed one later as a trio and it was very much worth it, 500exp/350cruor.
-Perhaps most important, alliance-based farm is really hard to pull off with pickups 1 week into the update. Was too hard to get anyone with more than a single Traverser Stone, and it took about an hour to get a balanced 12. I could see it working much better with all friends or LS, using ventrilo, with everybody knowing what to do instead of just me >,<. But until most pickups know what to do and have at least 1.5 hours to burn, I can't see a double merit party style being easy to do through shouts alone.

Anyway, all I can say to contribute at this point is that if you're looking to farm cruor in Abyssia through pick-up-groups, I would advise that everyone have at least 3 traverser stones, and that you don't take in more than a party.

Ya sorry, we had a full LS group, looked something like:
PT1 - Rdm, Brd, Amano, 3relic Pld, War, Drg/mage
PT2 - Rdm, Blm, Blm, Rng, Rng, Brd
PT3 - Thf

We did a lot of running around, we wasted ~15min at the start on those mobs I don't recall the name of at the entrance (and got very very little Cruor), but once we moved to the IT Gigas it started coming in pretty damn fast. The red chests aren't even worth the time...just plow through as many mobs as you can and do Blue Chests. Also, our entire group was LS (and most on vent), and I think all but 1 or 2 had 3 stones (and I made sure the key jobs had 3). And ya, we got ~4500 without even really knowing what we were doing. Also, it seemed like Gigas were generally higher level than Tigers and Rabbits and stuff, but this could easily be incorrect as a whole, and just a coincidence, but they seemed better to me.

We're going back in tonight, but I'm not entirely sure what our goal is - kinda want to try to get to the boss Gigas, but also want to do other stuff, too many options!

[Ave69]

Are 1 of the 3 gigas NMs we already know of the boss? Or is the gigas a pop requiring more then 1 key item we don't know about? I forget it's name, but I've killed the 1 requiring oversized socks I know it's not him.. I also don't recall reading in the thread anywhere.

Ty n advance! Good luck on runs tonight!

[miokomioko]

I don't recommend going in to solo or whatever during JP primetime. Every fucking mob was IT when I entered.

[Gwynplaine]

I hadn't heard of anyone actually fighting Bhumi, so I put reraise on and engaged on 78 PUP/NIN expecting to eat shit. It was easy as hell.

It did standard Titan Prime moves, Megalith Throw, Earthen Ward, etc. I beat his ass and got no drops, like 623 exp, 120 cruor or so. It also spawned a red chest that, when unlocked, gave me a "feeble amber light"...

I ran a few yards and saw the NM up again (is there more than one or instant-repop?). I engaged again, seemed to swing a lot faster than the last, but it could be just bad double-attack luck, etc. This fight was a lot sloppier. Then, when I was waiting for an Automaton cure, he did a Stone IV (TP move, not spell) and it went through shadows just like Prime Avatars. 1123 damage. Kaput.

About to try again in a few...

Edit: lol yep... Stone IV again for exactly 1123 dmg. I can't survive it unless I'm at full~ Super easy other than that crap.

Fought it last night in a group of 7. It's extremely weak, a ws or two nearly kills it. Just gave us 375 exp/61 cruor and gave me a berserker's drink temp item. Dropped a forbidden key item. Then about 10 minutes later we ran into it again further away, so it must have a pretty large wander area and a fast respawn time. I tried a couple things on it to test for weakness' but it died so fast it didn't make it real practicle. Just tried a couple different low tier elemental nukes like earth, ice, wind, didn't seem to do anything. Nothing dropped 2nd kill.

What chests does the forbidden key work on? Because we tried it on one of the Sturdy Pyxis things last nite and it wouldn't work. Had to guess the locks number instead and it was a chest that did a benediction.

Edit: Could anyone point out to me the location of the .dats for the abyssea areas mob list?

[*Blaize*]

Well if any of you was bored enough to try soloing some NMs, the Mandragora in Canyon (Gancanagh) runs at +50% or something like that. >(

Edit: The Gnat too, so probably any NM <_<

[Kaiyoko]

so no one manage to get the abyssite that prolong abyssea stay per stone yet? XD

I have 5500, I'll be buying it after I go in and farm tonight.

[firewing]

Got this from trigger popped soulflayer in AbysKonscht. Spams -ga IV, tier V, tribulation, mind blast.

http://i47.tinypic.com/qx8av6.jpg

[Kalasin]

Got this from trigger popped soulflayer in AbysKonscht. Spams -ga IV, tier V, tribulation, mind blast.

http://i47.tinypic.com/qx8av6.jpg

He does not spam TP moves if you don't feed him tp..

[Dammerung]

Got this from trigger popped soulflayer in AbysKonscht. Spams -ga IV, tier V, tribulation, mind blast.

http://i47.tinypic.com/qx8av6.jpg

You forgot to add in reprobation, the aoe full dispel that he likes to use every 15 seconds sometimes too.

[Rocl]

Mihocao drops sodden sandworm husk.
Hedetet or w/e drops gory scorpion claw.

Both are key items.

[Azuark]

Has anyone tested Bind and Gravity on these NM's here?

[Not Kuno]

Has anyone tested Bind and Gravity on these NM's here?

Didn't eseal but gravity was resisted on every one I tried.

[Azuark]

Well that blows chunks ty though for the info

[Cairthenn]

Did Abyssea - Konschtat once again today.

Started off with Morbol, dropped key item Decayed morbol tooth only (to me, popper & pt lead, for whoever cares).

Then we killed Bakka, dropped Glyph axe and two Bakka's wings.

Then we popped a ghost NM, Fear Gorta, using a square of moonglow cloth at (L-6). It didn't drop any pop key items, but we all got a temporary key item "Azure abyssite of the reaper" which increases the amount of abyssite gained from mobs. It also dropped a Hecate's Crown. Used Perdition (KO move) only once below 25% but spammed a HQ version of Curse named Bane.