Abyssea Discussion

[Drakath]

Question - If I buy one of the Abyssites from the Cruor NPC, like the one that enhances stones by 3 minutes each... Is this a permanent increase? Will the key item run out or disappear after a while? I'm going to buy them, but only if it's permanent. Don't wanna waste all that cruor.

[CubsWoo]

Remember that Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

This is true, but it's worth testing the correlation this early in the add-on's lifetime.

[Gwynplaine]

Question - If I buy one of the Abyssites from the Cruor NPC, like the one that enhances stones by 3 minutes each... Is this a permanent increase? Will the key item run out or disappear after a while? I'm going to buy them, but only if it's permanent. Don't wanna waste all that cruor.

No one has experienced losing an ancient abyssite or atma key item yet. So even though they're listed under "temporary key items" I think it's safe to say they're either permanent or they last a very long time.

[Tuna]

I really have reservations about the whole "azure light means time chests" thing people keep proposing. Just for the sake of it last night during my dreadful run we spent the last 15-20 minutes doing all magic kill-shots and we really saw nothing but a gold/augment chest, light chest, a temp chest and an exp chest.

People just seem to be getting extremely lucky and chalking it up to doing this or that. Hell maybe I missed it already but I'm surprised people don't have a theory linking the chests/light to moon color/phase yet just for the sake of it.

Remember that Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

Right. If anything azure light would mean an increase in blue chests, not specifically time extensions.

[Arthars]

we always meant more blue box = higher CHANCE of getting a TE box.....

we did not say blue = TE

you think too much -_-

[ringthree]

we always meant more blue box = higher CHANCE of getting a TE box.....

we did not say blue = TE

you think too much -_-

I just don't know if that is true. In general, I think there is just a higher chance of getting a Blue Chest, irrelevant of aura. There just isn't much information one way or another.

Definitely needs more testing.

[Zirael]

I really have reservations about the whole "azure light means time chests" thing people keep proposing. Just for the sake of it last night during my dreadful run we spent the last 15-20 minutes doing all magic kill-shots and we really saw nothing but a gold/augment chest, light chest, a temp chest and an exp chest.

People just seem to be getting extremely lucky and chalking it up to doing this or that. Hell maybe I missed it already but I'm surprised people don't have a theory linking the chests/light to moon color/phase yet just for the sake of it.

Remember that Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

Hmm, has anyone considered that it might be "majority of damage coming from specific type" that affects light/chest color, rather than "kill shot damage type"?
I know it's SE we're talking about here, but "majority of damage" would make more sense rather than forcing a full alliance /wrist themselves to do a desired killshot type. And if not "majority of damage", then maybe "majority of damage below 50%", etc...?
Just some food for your thoughts.

[Ramsey]

Hmm, has anyone considered that it might be "majority of damage coming from specific type" that affects light/chest color, rather than "kill shot damage type"?
I know it's SE we're talking about here, but "majority of damage" would make more sense rather than forcing a full alliance /wrist themselves to do a desired killshot type. And if not "majority of damage", then maybe "majority of damage below 50%", etc...?
Just some food for your thoughts.

It's definitely not a majority of damage, in an alliance of almost entirely melee a nuke can finish it off and cause an Azure light. For the record, it's been said already but everyone should keep this in mind, Blue Magic spells count as well, including physical spells.

[Toth]

Question:

If someone with 60 minutes for example goes into a maw and is invited into an ally that has already been in for 60 mins (as an example), will they get the same exp as everyone else who has been in there longer or will it drop to starting levels for that person?

[Cairthenn]

Question:

If someone with 60 minutes for example goes into a maw and is invited into an ally that has already been in for 60 mins (as an example), will they get the same exp as everyone else who has been in there longer or will it drop to starting levels for that person?

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[Shadida]

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Correct, but that person will still benefit in full from EXP/Cruor chests which could be pretty significant by that point.

[Kilik]

Correct, but that person will still benefit in full from EXP/Cruor chests which could be pretty significant by that point.

Are you saying the chests give more exp/cruor the farther you are into a chain? I've seen posts of people saying they got 1k exp or cruor off the first chest they popped. I myself have seen a 1k cruor chest very early into a run followed by cruor/exp chests that gave below 500 towards the end of a run.

Also, has anyone had any luck getting enough time chests for a 3-4hr farm session off of mobs that drop Forbidden Keys? Most people seem to be doing mandies and the only post I saw of people doing lizards got 1 TE. I posted last week about killing lizards for 60min. We got a ton of keys but 0 TEs.

[Loire]

not sure if it was confirmed or anything but even after cycling through some more silver, ebon and gold lights our xp topped out at 600xp per kill on the mandies but cruor amounts were still going up

Pic of the capped amount.

Spoiler: show

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k9...708_021845.jpg

[Arthars]

theres always a chance of blue and red boxes, but ruby and azure seem to boost it further more which is why 2-3ish hour groups will have so much boxes lying around after the 1 hour mark

anyway, Amber light comes off magical WS i was hoping it is azure but its strictly magic killshot only

so pearlcesent and amber's effect is unknown -_-

[Arthars]

I really have reservations about the whole "azure light means time chests" thing people keep proposing. Just for the sake of it last night during my dreadful run we spent the last 15-20 minutes doing all magic kill-shots and we really saw nothing but a gold/augment chest, light chest, a temp chest and an exp chest.

People just seem to be getting extremely lucky and chalking it up to doing this or that. Hell maybe I missed it already but I'm surprised people don't have a theory linking the chests/light to moon color/phase yet just for the sake of it.

Remember that Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

dreadful runs also means your not getting enough strong lights to ramp up the boxes appearance rate and also im sure your not getting good xp either

like i said before, time stayed in abyssea have nothing to do with more box spawning, be it gold/red/blue, or XP/cruor bonus

you need to make use of your time to kill, gain lights strength to see XP/cruor going up, and stronger lights for boxes appearance rate to go up

and to say it all over again, when we mean blue box appearance rate up from prolly azure light, we mean a blue box will appear more often but the content can still be random XP/recovery/cruor/temp item/TE

we do not mean spawning more blue box = TEs, we mean more blue boxes = more chance of gettign TEs

for gods sake -_-

[urat]

And what they're saying is you have no solid evidence to back up, so I'll have to end this now.

My ls got a single time extension box in an hour long run right near the end. We did not have a single black mage in the alliance, and 1 blue mage. We did NOT have azure light at the time, and we were getting plenty of blue boxes.

Right now your trying to make claims instead of theories with only 3-4 samples to back up your claims. Go do this type of run 100 times+ so your accuracy is within 1%, then come back and start making claims.

Until then you're still sitting at 4 runs that coincidently had ok blue chest drop rates when you had azure light. Thing is, you gave yourself azure light so if blue chests also happened to be dropping well for you you can try and draw a corrolation.

Go do the exact same test 50 times over and verify for us that every single time your blue chests dropped well.

Now go do the exact same thing without ANY black mages or blues or azure light, and verify that your blue chest drop rate was shitty and you had tonnes of red chests.

THEN and only then can you start tossing things out like "oh well your alliance must have not been balanced enough" or "You need more black mages to get azure light everytime for a better chance at a blue box and TE boxes"

[Kuishen]

And what they're saying is you have no solid evidence to back up, so I'll have to end this now.

My ls got a single time extension box in an hour long run right near the end. We did not have a single black mage in the alliance, and 1 blue mage. We did NOT have azure light at the time, and we were getting plenty of blue boxes.

Right now your trying to make claims instead of theories with only 3-4 samples to back up your claims. Go do this type of run 100 times+ so your accuracy is within 1%, then come back and start making claims.

Until then you're still sitting at 4 runs that coincidently had ok blue chest drop rates when you had azure light. Thing is, you gave yourself azure light so if blue chests also happened to be dropping well for you you can try and draw a corrolation.

Go do the exact same test 50 times over and verify for us that every single time your blue chests dropped well.

Now go do the exact same thing without ANY black mages or blues or azure light, and verify that your blue chest drop rate was shitty and you had tonnes of red chests.

THEN and only then can you start tossing things out like "oh well your alliance must have not been balanced enough" or "You need more black mages to get azure light everytime for a better chance at a blue box and TE boxes"

You're also assuming that we're saying that using Azure light is the ONLY way to get TE. I'm sure there is a still a chance to get a TE chest without azure light, and using said light only increases the chance. Considering that almost every report of people staying in for 2+ hours has had people focusing on Azure lights, I think it's safe to assume that it does indeed help with the chance to get a TE chest, or more blue chests, which results in more TE chests.

Having done 2 runs in a row now where we have gotten 0-1 TEs and not been focusing on Azure lights, I'm fairly sure that the next run I do set up, which /will/ focus on Azure lights, will be more successful.

All that being said, Blue boxes are definitely the most common regardless of the lights being thrown around, nobody is disputing that. At least this has been the case in my experience.

[urat]

You're also assuming that we're saying that using Azure light is the ONLY way to get TE. I'm sure there is a still a chance to get a TE chest without azure light, and using said light only increases the chance. Considering that almost every report of people staying in for 2+ hours has had people focusing on Azure lights, I think it's safe to assume that it does indeed help with the chance to get a TE chest, or more blue chests, which results in more TE chests.

Having done 2 runs in a row now where we have gotten 0-1 TEs and not been focusing on Azure lights, I'm fairly sure that the next run I do set up, which /will/ focus on Azure lights, will be more successful.

All that being said, Blue boxes are definitely the most common regardless of the lights being thrown around, nobody is disputing that. At least this has been the case in my experience.

No, its not safe to assume that. Those "every people that were focusing on azure light" is like, what? 4? 5? people. Thats like saying 5 lses went into dynamis and got better drop rates so its safe to assume SE increased the drop rate of shit in dynamis.

A sample size of 4-5 is NOT the necessary amount to make any form of safe assumption on. You can theorize the possibility of azure light increasing blue chests but not actually say "Ok guys so 2 groups brought black mages and they got some more blue chests so MAGES = BLUE CHEST GOGOGO"

As I said, go get a sample size with an accuracy of at least 1%, then its a safe assumption to make.

[Kuishen]

I'm not referring to reports just from BG, which you're right, is 4-5 people. I've asked multiple groups every day since we made this connection. But you're right, poor wording on my part.

[Drakath]

not sure if it was confirmed or anything but even after cycling through some more silver, ebon and gold lights our xp topped out at 600xp per kill on the mandies but cruor amounts were still going up

Pic of the capped amount.

Spoiler: show

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k9...708_021845.jpg

My god...