New Elemental Staves

[Nususu]

Wouldn't a bard want to go for the m.acc +4 staves? If so, you need to kill mobs with that element based negative status effect, like a requiem for light staff.

[Innuendo]

Atleast you can kill things quickly as BLM, I still am confused how I'm going to get the finishing blow on mobs on Bard for 50+ damage and 150+ damage for Light and Earth..

Well, for earth you could sub SCH and use stone 2. I'm afraid the light thing has me stumped too...

[GeneJackit]

Elvaan SCH here...I was thinking about working on one of these...definately Thunder nuking staff (and maybe others) but would Aquilo's still be best for Ice for me? Thinking as Elvaan (with Ice obi) the elemental skill and INT really helps me a ton
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hmmmm....i just thought that these new staves would be really good for helices as well...

[barber2006]

Well, for earth you could sub SCH and use stone 2. I'm afraid the light thing has me stumped too...

Carbuncle light BP work for it.

[Mojo]

Honestly I'm not sure how excited I am about these things. Going from DMG+15% > DMG+25% is a nice improvement although I'm skeptical about the magic accuracy loss (what does the +1 on the staff even equate to...?) Most of the new gear seems to be focused on all out MAB while neglecting magic accuracy, unsure of whether or not it's worth it.

[Atoreis]

Well, for earth you could sub SCH and use stone 2. I'm afraid the light thing has me stumped too...

I dont think macc ones req kill with elemental dmg just req the mob to be debuffed or something?

[Atoreis]

Honestly I'm not sure how excited I am about these things. Going from DMG+15% > DMG+25% is a nice improvement although I'm skeptical about the magic accuracy loss (what does the +1 on the staff even equate to...?) Most of the new gear seems to be focused on all out MAB while neglecting magic accuracy, unsure of whether or not it's worth it.

+1 is +20 acc i think equal to NQ staff?

[Yugl]

Honestly I'm not sure how excited I am about these things. Going from DMG+15% > DMG+25% is a nice improvement although I'm skeptical about the magic accuracy loss (what does the +1 on the staff even equate to...?) Most of the new gear seems to be focused on all out MAB while neglecting magic accuracy, unsure of whether or not it's worth it.

That's what I'm concerned about as well. That and having to hold three Earth Elemental staves (PDT; Debuffs; Stone V) is not appealing.

[Mojo]

+1 is +20 acc i think equal to NQ staff?

If it was, then they would be ideal, although I haven't seen this claim substantiated so it's hard to say really.

[Yugl]

If it was, then they would be ideal, although I haven't seen this claim substantiated so it's hard to say really.

I'm not sure how accurate it was, but the testing showed [Magic ACC/DMG]:

NQ: 1:1
HQ: 2:2
Teiwaz: 3:1 (Or 1:3)
New staves: 4:1 (Or 1:4)

The "testing" should still be in the Final Magian Weapons Upgrade thread.

[detlef]

Wouldn't a bard want to go for the m.acc +4 staves? If so, you need to kill mobs with that element based negative status effect, like a requiem for light staff.

I finished Light and Earth Macc Teiwaz (haven't done the latest updates yet). It basically amounted to killing mobs with a 2-boxed blm account after hitting them with elegy (for earth) and dark threnody (for light). Also, for the ones that you have to kill with a certain element, I would reduce them to 3% or lower, hit them with an appropriate threnody, then kill them with stone2 /blm or banish /whm on brd. With no resists, you shouldn't have an issue.

[cdgreg]

I've been going by this information which was provided by Pchan:

Jupiter is 15% damage / 30 magic acc

The mac on staff is not a % it's constant

so the "affinity : +1 mac" would be something like affinity+1 where base_affinity=10 magic accuracy and "afinity : +1 magic damage" would be would be affinity+1 where base_affinity = 5% magic damage.

The result from affinity : mac+n / mdmg+m would be

(n+1)*10 mac and (m+1)*5% dmg

Standard teiwaz with
+3 mdmg = (3+1)*5 = 20% dmg
+1macc = (1+1)*10 = 20 macc


Therefore standard teiwaz vs jupiters you add 5% dmg but lose 10macc.

So if I remember Indra's stats correctly Indra vs jupiters you will add 10% dmg but lose 10macc. Imo 10macc is pretty damn easy to make up, 10% dmg, not so much.

[CDF]

Only one person tried to verify that elemental affinity: magic accuracy +3 means higher accuracy than that from a HQ staff (in the other mediocre thread).

[SephYuyX]

So the new staffs arent 1.25 like people were saying, and it's 1.20 then?

[CDF]

Damage is easy to verify, accuracy less so.

[SephYuyX]

Nvm, it is 1.25, didnt see he was talking about teiwaz and not the next tier, just assumed teiwaz wouldnt be talked about anymore, and would only be referring to the new ones~

NQ: 1.10
HQ: 1.15
Teiwaz: 1.20
New Tier: 1.25

[Auspice]

So, verdict is that these DO replace HQ staves? Higher dmg but a slight acc loss?

[SephYuyX]

If you can deal with 10 less MAcc, yes.

NQ: 20 MAcc
HQ: 30 MAcc
Teiwaz: 20 MAcc
New Tier: 20 MAcc

[Xajii]

still need to keep HQ staves for enfeebles :/

[Gwynplaine]

Fuck that, it is so not worthwhile for me personally to grind these asinine trials out just for such a marginal upgrade.