HP/MP/Stat/Skill Increases

[SephYuyX]

And it's not like theyre huge performance differences anyway. Mitha vs Taru BLM is not that different at the end of the day.

[Necronus]

Saw someone in another thread mention that if played out a 99 taru BLM will have the same INT as a 99 hume BLM. Hey I'm a hume BLM and I'm bothered by this if it works out that way. If all our stats even out, why bother with different races? Aesthetic variation? bah.

Hope I read this wrong, or that I'm just flat out wrong. Otherwise...why did we all choose different races and what were the benefits/disadvantages of it?

That was me, and its not exactly equal, i think Hume BLM pulls to within 1 INT.

Edit: And I'll be home around 6PM EST to post stat growth ratings.

[Byrthnoth]

And it's not like theyre huge performance differences anyway. Mitha vs Taru BLM is not that different at the end of the day.

Errr... yes there is. There was an 8ish INT difference between the races before this update? Mithra has Morrigan's Robe, I have Igqira Weskit, other gear being the same I nuke for more damage.
It's okay, because they have more MP so they'll be able to nuke longer, right? ...Nope.
But that's okay, because they survive longer due to their higher HP, right? There are times that 100 HP will make a difference, but you don't run in to them often if you're playing with skilled players.

It's like claiming an Elvaan and Taru DD are the same at 75. If the Taru has full HQ Abjurations and the Elvaan has full NQ, the Elvaan still has more Strength.

Skill > Gear > Race is true, but if you're playing with equally geared and skilled players then it just comes down to race.

[Baelorn]

Elvaan vs Taru is something like a 13 INT difference at 75, 12 at 80.

[Necronus]

Errr... yes there is. There was an 8ish INT difference between the races before this update? Mithra has Morrigan's Robe, I have Igqira Weskit, other gear being the same I nuke for more damage.
It's okay, because they have more MP so they'll be able to nuke longer, right? ...Nope.
But that's okay, because they survive longer due to their higher HP, right? There are times that 100 HP will make a difference, but you don't run in to them often if you're playing with skilled players.

It's like claiming an Elvaan and Taru DD are the same at 75. If the Taru has full HQ Abjurations and the Elvaan has full NQ, the Elvaan still has more Strength.

Skill > Gear > Race is true, but if you're playing with equally geared and skilled players then it just comes down to race.

While stat gains invert, HP and MP don't. Tarus will continue to get greater than or equal MP to other races and lower HP.

[krizz]

WHM/BLM @76
MP +9
HP +10
MND +1

(Calculator site says I gained 9 HP, but looking at screenshots I went up by 10)

[Motenten]

Actually you don't need that much info, just like jobs have weapon ranks A+, A-, etc, each job and class has a rank in all base stats. You simply add the growth from each rank at each level (plus subjob) and bam, stat total. The only caveats are the inflection points, which causes slower growth later, especially at 60 when effectively the ranks switch. Suddenly after 60, an A+ rank grows as if something like rank E .. but a rank E grows as if rank B (or something, I'm working off memory since I'm at work)

You don't need a lot of info, but you do need some, and I have received very little so far. Also, if it were solely the job growth stats that needed to be figured out it would be fairly easy. The real problem is that you also have race growth stats, and you need a fair bit of info to disentangle the two from each other (ie: multiple jobs per race, multiple races per job).

[Deader2818]

Well as a Mithra RDM/WHM I had a base of 67 MND at 75, then at 78 it went up to a base of 70 and still 70 at 80.

Forgot to check INT.

[Necronus]

That was me, and its not exactly equal, i think Hume BLM pulls to within 1 INT.

Edit: And I'll be home around 6PM EST to post stat growth ratings.

Dammnit, I seem to have misplaced my extended calculator to 99. Guess I'll need to re-make.

Edit:

Well as a Mithra RDM/WHM I had a base of 67 MND at 75, then at 78 it went up to a base of 70 and still 70 at 80.

Forgot to check INT.

I just hand calculated Mithra RDM/WHM and the calculator and I agree you should have 71 MND, not 70, which means SE screwed with the calculations post 75.

For the individual components I got 27MND from race (Rank E), 32MND from RDM (Rank C), and 12MND from WHM (Rank A)

[Shenrien]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/120/f...0624154958.png

I gain 2 CHR going from 79 to 80, guess this makes hitting the 120 cap a little easier.

[Onorgul]

What 120 "cap"?

[Francisco]

Hume M MNK78/RNG32

HP: 1489
STR: 67
DEX: 69
VIT: 71
AGI: 62
INT: 55
MND: 64
CHR: 61

[Xanthe]

Mithra DRG80/SAM40 (naked, discounting merits)

HP 1292

STR 69
DEX 74
VIT 67
AGI 71
INT 59
MND 59
CHR 63


Mithra DRG80/WHM40 (naked, discounting merits)

HP 1267
MP 147

STR 68
DEX 70
VIT 66
AGI 70
INT 59
MND 64
CHR 64

[SephYuyX]

Mithra BLM80/RDM40 (naked, discounting merits)
HP 1016
MP 721
STR 57
DEX 76
VIT 56
AGI 73
INT 74
MND 61
CHR 60

+0,+0,+2,+0,+0 INT ;-; At least I have 5 INT merits to make it 79, and 8 MP merits for 801.

[Deader2818]

Mithra COR80/WAR40 (Naked)

HP 1200

STR 64
DEX 77
VIT 60
AGI 77
INT 66
MND 57
CHR 56

[Athas]

Hume
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3923/statjt.png

[Priran]

Elvaan MNK80, no sub, naked, minus merits

HP 1503

STR 66
DEX 60
VIT 68
AGI 46
INT 43
MND 63
CHR 55

With DNC sub

HP 1642

STR 74
DEX 69
VIT 75
AGI 56
INT 48
MND 68
CHR 65

[Shadida]

Am I really the only one who did a double take at 5 string skill on the previous page? I'm not a BRD - is it really that useless?

[Onorgul]

Am I really the only one who did a double take at 5 string skill on the previous page? I'm not a BRD - is it really that useless?

The only really helpful String-based song is Paeon. Most Bards completely undervalue Paeon, hence String often doesn't get touched.

[Xanthe]

The only really helpful String-based song is Paeon. Most Bards completely undervalue Paeon, hence String often doesn't get touched.

String is great for Gjallarhorn-less BRDs who find their way into a BLM party. Makes it a lot easier to hit everyone with ballads.