Accession/Manifestation Applications

[ZiGG]

cure spells aren't white enhancing magic they're white healing magic, regen spells however are. Working as intended, why would you think otherwise? :/

[Jeryhn]

cure spells aren't white enhancing magic they're white healing magic, regen spells however are. Working as intended, why would you think otherwise? :/

Because Accession works on Cure 4 and down? Ever seen a SCH in Campaign?

[drwaffles]

I imagine Accession + Stoneskin will become popular for WHMs and RDMs now? 60 MP for 350+ HP's worth of damage mitigation for everyone in range, as well as a safeguard against getting interrupted on Utsusemi.

[Jeryhn]

I imagine Accession + Stoneskin will become popular for WHMs and RDMs now? 60 MP for 350+ HP's worth of damage mitigation for everyone in range, as well as a safeguard against getting interrupted on Utsusemi.

Definitely, considering the new increased cap of 550, and for a meager cost of 58mp. That's about equal to an Accessioned Regen3 with Cleric's Briault and full Regen merits (560hp recovery over time).

[drwaffles]

Couldn't find the Stoneskin discussion, the cap is confirmed 550? And you need extra MND/Skill to hit that cap I assume?

[Vlint]

It was posted by Rog in the random question thread (referring to stoneskin).

He goes on to say he forgot he was in -pdt gear and the cap is still 350.

[cassiraa]

I cannot contain my dissapointment at Enspell II not working.

[Onorgul]

Seems like hardly anything works with it that wasn't previously already at the disposal of Scholars. So... AoE -na spells for Red Mage and to hell with distinguishing characteristics?

[Biiru]

Couldn't find the Stoneskin discussion, the cap is confirmed 550? And you need extra MND/Skill to hit that cap I assume?

Also, does Stone Gorget raise that to 580?

Edit: guess I didn't read down far enough

It was posted by Rog in the random question thread (referring to stoneskin).

He goes on to say he forgot he was in -pdt gear and the cap is still 350.

Lame.

[Isiolia]

I cannot contain my dissapointment at Enspell II not working.

Well, En-II are per-hit check of the player's Enhancing skill...so they generally would suck for Accession anyway. Unless SE actually modified them, but they aren't in a giving mood for RDM last I checked.

[Malacite]

Oh that's fucking lame you can't Accession Cure V...


That would have made spare WHM's at events extremely valuable since it lets you basically curaga other parties...


What's the hate like on Cure 6 btw?

[Streak]

It might be annoying but it seems well thought out. Basically, you can't do anything scholar can't do by subbing scholar... thereby preventing other mages jobs from eclipsing scholar main job.

[Malacite]

ie, RDM/SCH = they're all gonna laff @ u

It's still the best sub for main healing (assuming you don't need sleep/dispel/grav) and even more so for manaburning. AoE Refresh every couple of minutes is awesome, beats the hell out of manually casting it 4~5 times.

[Khamsin]

It's still the best sub for main healing (assuming you don't need sleep/dispel/grav) and even more so for manaburning. AoE Refresh every couple of minutes is awesome, beats the hell out of manually casting it 4~5 times.

Why would sleep/dispel/grav make a difference? You can sleep/dispel/grav as RDM/SCH just fine.

[Jesifromgaruda]

Why would sleep/dispel/grav make a difference? You can sleep/dispel/grav as RDM/SCH just fine.

I think he means because you would have Light Arts up and:

# Reduces MP costs for White Magic spells by 10%, and increases MP costs for Black Magic spells by 20%.
# Reduces casting time for White Magic by 10%, and increases casting time for Black Magic by 20%.
# Reduces recast time for White Magic by 10%, and increases recast time for Black Magic by 20%.

I said the same thing to myself, then I thought about Light Arts. But, as RDM/SCH if you are going to be casting both, you don't have to bother using LA or DA if you don't want to. I mean, it's just 10%. The penalty of 20% sucks.

[Cymmina]

Why would sleep/dispel/grav make a difference? You can sleep/dispel/grav as RDM/SCH just fine.

Yes, but being in Light Arts messes up your recast timers for all black magic and is especially painful on Sleep/Gravity/Bind. Switching to Dark Arts for a single spell (in most situations) is silly. I will occasionally cast a Cure IV while under Addendum: Black because I'd rather take the MP hit than the stratagem hit. Likewise, it makes little sense to switch out of Addendum: White to cast 1-2 black magic spells, especially if you need the status removal as a sub because your stratagems are on a 2 minute timer.

[Cymmina]

But, as RDM/SCH if you are going to be casting both, you don't have to bother using LA or DA if you don't want to. I mean, it's just 10%. The penalty of 20% sucks.

Then why are you /SCH in the first place? If it's not for the Grimoire and it definitely isn't for Sublimation, what else are you getting? That awesome MP Bonus I and Resist Silence I? You can't cancel Light/Dark Arts/Addendum: White/Black.

[Dantrag]

Accession + Reraise III?

[Uzor]

Accession + Reraise III?

Don't work with any reraise.

Personally, I'm still loving /SCH. It means I can Accession + Shell V/Protect V other parties in the alliance that don't have a WHM, and I can AoE stoneskin the tanks.

Speaking of Cure VI; has anyone else noticed Cure VI does not work with Cure Potency gear, or do I just have a bugged version of it?

[Spider-Dan]

It might be annoying but it seems well thought out. Basically, you can't do anything scholar can't do by subbing scholar... thereby preventing other mages jobs from eclipsing scholar main job.

Why Regen3 but not Phalanx2?
Why Shell5 but not Bio3?
Why Refresh but not Sacrifice?

The only logic I can make a haphazard guess at is that Accession/Manifestation only works on spells that Scholar will have access to at some point (through main or sub), and that SE has an internal flag on every spell to denote this. Haste was a specific targeted exception to that rule, so they mentioned it.