Accession/Manifestation Applications

[BerenTebogo]

Couldn't find the Stoneskin discussion, the cap is confirmed 550? And you need extra MND/Skill to hit that cap I assume?

The cap is 550 now?

Tonight at 10:00PM on FFXI daily news: No other job besides RDM/NIN is needed for anything anymore.

Details to follow.

[Cymmina]

The cap is 550 now?

Tonight at 10:00PM on FFXI daily news: No other job besides RDM/NIN is needed for anything anymore.

Details to follow.

No. Will people stop saying that already? The guy who started it forgot he had damage reduction gear on. There is no new Stoneskin cap.

[BerenTebogo]

No. Will people stop saying that already? The guy who started it forgot he had damage reduction gear on. There is no new Stoneskin cap.

Oh, well, for the best then.

[Vegetatheprince]

No. Will people stop saying that already? The guy who started it forgot he had damage reduction gear on. There is no new Stoneskin cap.

It doesn't even scale to 80?

[Jado818]

Manifestation + Dread Spikes?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Can't work with Manifestation, not sure if anyone's tested it with Accession(which in the past has been able to AoE dark magic).

[Byrthnoth]

SE probably avoided accession C5 because it is a lot of CE that does not require hp loss. Not that whm/sch could survive for shit, but anyway! 2400 ce, 3600 ve they would have to increase their hate caps if they ever introduced a situation that required that.

[Draylo]

Spike spells can't be aoe'd.

[Spider-Dan]

Can't work with Manifestation, not sure if anyone's tested it with Accession(which in the past has been able to AoE dark magic).

Such as?

[Priran]

Such as?

I think they got that backwards.

Spike spells can't be aoe'd.

The BLM spike spells are black enhancing magic which is not covered by either Manifestation or Accession, while Dread Spikes is Dark Magic and therefore possibly Manifestationable.

But I really doubt it.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Such as?

Klimaform

Edit: Er.. Or not? I swear Klimaform used to be AoE through Accession >_>. I remember people complaining about the recast times due to the penalty of being in Light Arts

[Cymmina]

Such as?

They got it backwards. Manifestation works with dark magic spells, including Klimaform (a dark magic buff, similar to Dread Spikes).

[Darte]

but being able to aoe dread spikes might actually be useful you know? They'd never allow anything like THAT to happen...

[niwaar]

Did the patch ninja update the ability to Manifest/Accession anything else.

[Damane]

Did the patch ninja update the ability to Manifest/Accession anything else.

the only thing that I see being new for Accession is Regen III, Refresh and the Shell spells, other then that Accession got pritty much nerfed, it didnt improve at all with this lvl cap raise...

Looking now on it, Accession Haste was not necessery to nerf, when you look at what else they nerfed on Accession (or didnt make possible to carry out)

The only reason I sea why they nerfed accession haste, was to give hastega out on the next update...

[Draylo]

I think they got that backwards.


The BLM spike spells are black enhancing magic which is not covered by either Manifestation or Accession, while Dread Spikes is Dark Magic and therefore possibly Manifestationable.

But I really doubt it.

True... but enhancing magic works with Accession, yet spikes don't work. I really doubt they would let dread spikes work, even if it works with dark magic manifestation. They wouldn't allow something such as those spikes from enhancing, dread spikes would be even more useful.

Edit: Nvm its black magic lol. I would still doubt it work though ><.

[Spider-Dan]

Well, looks like Dread Spikes is another test for the "If SCH can't cast it, it can't be AoE'd" theory.

DRKs, get to work.

[Draylo]

Well, looks like Dread Spikes is another test for the "If SCH can't cast it, it can't be AoE'd" theory.

DRKs, get to work.

They can AOE bar line spells from sub RDM though.. which they don't get naturally so that kinda throws that theory out.

[Scritch]

Spider-Dan means spells SCH gets from main or sub. Explaining why you can -aga Enspells, but not Enspelll IIs. SCH gets Enspells from /RDM, but will never get Enspell IIs, thus Enspell IIs cannot be -aga'd. Same with bar-X and baramnesia.