Random Fail VIII: Your Not Fail, You're Are.

[rog]

80% hitrate is a retarded concept. If you're at 80% pre food, use a Pizza instead of meat. If you're at 80% with Pizza, you should be using sushi not Pizza. If you're at 80% with sushi, WTF are you fighting?

Mix and Match Haste (Assuming Byakkos Job) > Perle > Mix and Match without even maxing haste. Period. If you're on a non-Byakkos job, full Perle gives same haste as the best other Turban setup, so why the fuck would you even consider Askar head.

Yes, and askar should never be worth using with 1h weapons. It's also not worth using over perle if you can't use kitty pants. However that means it's still useful for war, bst, and sam, if they have no haste buffs, and anything under 94% acc. Ideally that shouldn't happen often, but it does sometimes, and as far as acc and food goes, you don't give up 60+ atk for ~3-8 acc, that's fucking stupid. If you're around 80%~ hit rate, then yes, switch your food, but not if you're above 90%.

If you absolutely never find yourself with no haste buffs, and in the area of 88~93.5% hit rate, then go ahead and toss your askar head, but if you do, then it's useful for that.

[fredjanx]

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[DiSifer]

So you left a party getting 600exp per kill because someone made a dumb statement?

SURE SHOWED THEM

Had it been earlier I wouldn't have cared, but at 6am I actually felt one side of my brain look at the other and say 'wtf'..had I not been exhausted I would have remembered to screen where he said that he would rather have 1 Store TP over 1% Haste and his further explanation.

[FailureMidgard]

Yes, and askar should never be worth using with 1h weapons. It's also not worth using over perle if you can't use kitty pants. However that means it's still useful for war, bst, and sam, if they have no haste buffs, and anything under 94% acc. Ideally that shouldn't happen often, but it does sometimes, and as far as acc and food goes, you don't give up 60+ atk for ~3-8 acc, that's fucking stupid. If you're around 80%~ hit rate, then yes, switch your food, but not if you're above 90%.

If you absolutely never find yourself with no haste buffs, and in the area of 88~93.5% hit rate, then go ahead and toss your askar head, but if you do, then it's useful for that.

No haste buffs is ridiculous. If you can get 1 tick of refresh (sanction, sigil?), just sub whm and fucking haste yourself at this point.

[rog]

No haste buffs is ridiculous. If you can get 1 tick of refresh (sanction, sigil?), just sub whm and fucking haste yourself at this point.

Sort of, but sometimes that's how it works out. And /whm isn't always an option.

Also, 93.5% hit rate, 34% haste (ie 19% haste, haste), the 3 acc STILL beats 1 haste, by a very (very) slight amount, with the 4 str pushing it further ahead. Even with 24% gear haste, and haste spell adding 1% more still won't overcome 3 acc, 4 str, unless fstr is capped. Any other haste buff will push turban ahead, and of course you should ideally being using hasso all/most of the time, so that should be the vast majority of the time, but again, not always.

Assuming 93.5% hit rate, the very least amount of haste you can have for 1% haste to beat 3 acc is 37%, and to beat the extra 4 str, assuming uncapped fstr, you'll need around 40~42% haste. And of course if your acc is lower than 93.5%, you'd need a few more (with 88% hit rate, 3 acc just barely beats 1 haste @ 40% haste, so you'd need probably 44%ish haste for it to also beat the 4 str).

Again, i'm not debating that turban is almost always better. I know it is. However it's stupid to disregard it entirely, because askar DOES beat turban in some situations.

[Benevolentone]

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Sort of, but sometimes that's how it works out. And /whm isn't always an option.

Also, 93.5% hit rate, 34% haste (ie 19% haste, haste), the 3 acc STILL beats 1 haste, by a very (very) slight amount, with the 4 str pushing it further ahead. Even with 24% gear haste, and haste spell adding 1% more still won't overcome 3 acc, 4 str, unless fstr is capped. Any other haste buff will push turban ahead, and of course you should ideally being using hasso all/most of the time, so that should be the vast majority of the time, but again, not always.

Assuming 93.5% hit rate, the very least amount of haste you can have for 1% haste to beat 3 acc is 37%, and to beat the extra 4 str, assuming uncapped fstr, you'll need around 40~42% haste. And of course if your acc is lower than 93.5%, you'd need a few more (with 88% hit rate, 3 acc just barely beats 1 haste @ 40% haste, so you'd need probably 44%ish haste for it to also beat the 4 str).

Again, i'm not debating that turban is almost always better. I know it is. However it's stupid to disregard it entirely, because askar DOES beat turban in some situations.

But is the inventory -1 worth it?

[FailureMidgard]

Sort of, but sometimes that's how it works out. And /whm isn't always an option.

Also, 93.5% hit rate, 34% haste (ie 19% haste, haste), the 3 acc STILL beats 1 haste, by a very (very) slight amount, with the 4 str pushing it further ahead. Even with 24% gear haste, and haste spell adding 1% more still won't overcome 3 acc, 4 str, unless fstr is capped. Any other haste buff will push turban ahead, and of course you should ideally being using hasso all/most of the time, so that should be the vast majority of the time, but again, not always.

Assuming 93.5% hit rate, the very least amount of haste you can have for 1% haste to beat 3 acc is 37%, and to beat the extra 4 str, assuming uncapped fstr, you'll need around 40~42% haste. And of course if your acc is lower than 93.5%, you'd need a few more (with 88% hit rate, 3 acc just barely beats 1 haste @ 40% haste, so you'd need probably 44%ish haste for it to also beat the 4 str).

Again, i'm not debating that turban is almost always better. I know it is. However it's stupid to disregard it entirely, because askar DOES beat turban in some situations.

Again, you should be accuracy capped. You should furthermore make every change possible to gain accuracy in slots that don't drop haste. You should reconsider food. The fact you can post #s where 3 acc beats 1 haste is irrelevant, because you are completely unable to give a gearset + target mob where that is the case.
And again, the no haste buffs at all is rather silly.

But is the inventory -1 worth it?

Not at all. And I'm roughly 100% sure that roughly 0% of the Askar head users are using it correctly.

[Draylo]

Most people I've spoken to that use it do so because it looks better than turban :/

[fredjanx]

And I'm roughly 100% sure that roughly 0% of the Askar head users are using it correctly.

multi hit WS?

[Meat]

se should fuck shit up and add haste food

[FailureMidgard]

multi hit WS?

It'd be pretty hard to have trouble finding a better option that isn't too hard to obtain, though obviously this depends on other gear. I don't think Gnadbod's is hard to get, nor Shura head for Sam, or Hissho. Nhead is a pretty cheap/reasonable item to buy in general. Ebur/Ebon/Furia pieces are generally going to outperform it also.

[rog]

But is the inventory -1 worth it?

Depends on how much extra inventory you have?

You should furthermore make every change possible to gain accuracy in slots that don't drop haste.

Maybe i'm just a gimp, but the only places i can get acc without dropping haste would be ammo (fuck bomblet, i don't care enough about war to spend 700k on it, when bomb core is better for most of the mobs i would use war on), and back (again, fuck cuch, war is a low priority for me). Other than brutal, grip, or hqing some gear, there is no one places i could get acc without dropping haste.

My loltp gear is:

rc|vermiel, pole, bomb core
turban, chiv, assault, brutal
haub, dusk, rajas, snipper
amemet+1, swift, kitty, aurum

(with rc i use askar head, giving me 27% haste, since dusk hands would drop me to 25% which is too low, and aurum feet have 5 acc/atk, and 3 dex which are good for tping either way so i don't use turban+different feet)

Yes, it's a bit gimp, i know, but regardless, the only slots that can be changed for accuracy without giving up haste are ammo, and back, which only nets +14 acc. There really isn't much to change.

Not at all. And I'm roughly 100% sure that roughly 0% of the Askar head users are using it correctly.

I do.

[FailureMidgard]

Depends on how much extra inventory you have?

Maybe i'm just a gimp, but the only places i can get acc without dropping haste would be ammo (fuck bomblet, i don't care enough about war to spend 700k on it, when bomb core is better for most of the mobs i would use war on), and back (again, fuck cuch, war is a low priority for me). Other than brutal, grip, or hqing some gear, there is no one places i could get acc without dropping haste.

My loltp gear is:

rc|vermiel, pole, bomb core
turban, chiv, assault, brutal
haub, dusk, rajas, snipper
amemet+1, swift, kitty, aurum

Yes, it's a bit gimp, i know, but regardless, the only slots that can be changed for accuracy without giving up haste are ammo, and back, which only nets +14 acc. There really isn't much to change.

I do.

Except, you can gain accuracy on ammo, body, grip, neck, ring, back. So to start with, we'll just call you wrong. You're at ~375ish base accuracy with your garbage shitty gear, pizza+1 puts you at 425, pizza NQ at 415? which are pretty good numbers.

I have no idea where you came up with this idea that you can't gain neck over Chiv chain or NQ haub or NQ ring. The ring is a bit overpriced perhaps, but the rest is pretty reasonable.

Really, while your gear is on the right track, you're just being insanely cheap with it, and that's your justification for using Askar. It isn't the right way to do it, if you're short accuracy pick up accuracy elsewhere. It's just the cheap/lazy way out.

Granted, with RC or Wyvern Earring, it becomes a usable item since you cap haste, but meh.

[rog]

Except, you can gain accuracy on ammo, body, grip, neck, ring, back. So to start with, we'll just call you wrong. You're at ~375ish base accuracy with your garbage shitty gear, pizza+1 puts you at 425, pizza NQ at 415? which are pretty good numbers.

I have no idea where you came up with this idea that you can't gain neck over Chiv chain or NQ haub or NQ ring. The ring is a bit overpriced perhaps, but the rest is pretty reasonable.

Really, while your gear is on the right track, you're just being insanely cheap with it, and that's your justification for using Askar. It isn't the right way to do it, if you're short accuracy pick up accuracy elsewhere. It's just the cheap/lazy way out.

Granted, with RC or Wyvern Earring, it becomes a usable item since you cap haste, but meh.

My point was that there's no other places except back/ammo to switch gear for more accuracy, assuming a better build. If i already had pcc, haub+1, and hq ring, i wouldn't be able to switch those out for more acc if i needed it, it would be my standard tp set.

No matter how much acc you have, sometimes you need a few more, and if you have low haste, then askar head is an acceptable place to get it.

[FailureMidgard]

My point was that there's no other places except back/ammo to switch gear for more accuracy, assuming a better build. If i already had pcc, haub+1, and hq ring, i wouldn't be able to switch those out for more acc if i needed it, it would be my standard tp set.

No matter how much acc you have, sometimes you need a few more, and if you have low haste, then askar head is an acceptable place to get it.

That isn't even true. Earring you can gain accuracy.
But besides that, no, proper melee don't "always need more" accuracy, and should be able to cap accuracy almost anywhere. You're really just gimp, uncapped skill, not merited, and/or using the wrong food if you're having issues.

[rog]

But besides that, no, proper melee don't "always need more" accuracy, and should be able to cap accuracy almost anywhere. You're really just gimp, uncapped skill, not merited, and/or using the wrong food if you're having issues.

You missed where i said "sometimes". I never said you always need more acc. I said regardless of how much acc you have, sometimes you need a few more.

You don't seem to understand what my point is. I know turban is better in the vast majority of cases. I know that acc will/should be capped in almost all cases. My point is simply that if acc is uncapped, but very close to cap (ie not worth giving up 60+ atk by changing food) and, if and only if you're haste is also low (less than about 40%, depending on hit rate) then askar CAN BE better than turban.

[Limlight]

god are people still trying to justify askar head just because they don't like the way turban looks?

jesus... /endlesspiral

[rog]

god are people still trying to justify askar head just because they don't like the way turban looks?

jesus... /endlesspiral

No, askar is ugly. Regardless of how situational it is, it DOES have uses, and CAN beat turban.

Switching your food and always having capped acc is nice and all, but if you have 90%+ hit rate, you'd be a fucking moron to give up 60+ atk for <=10 acc.

[Limlight]

i'm still trying to think of mobs that I'm not capping acc on, faf when blinded. Gotcha

[fredjanx]

It'd be pretty hard to have trouble finding a better option that isn't too hard to obtain, though obviously this depends on other gear. I don't think Gnadbod's is hard to get, nor Shura head for Sam, or Hissho. Nhead is a pretty cheap/reasonable item to buy in general. Ebur/Ebon/Furia pieces are generally going to outperform it also.

I'd say gnadbhod's is the least accessible piece due to nobody doing SCNM after AMKD came out
edit: nvm, I'm dumb, Perle head works too