Abyssea - Tahrongi Discussion

[Massimo]

I thought we posted this already, but maybe it was in the main thread. All 3 of those have been obtained from megaboxes during marathon exp sessions. I think we have 2 overgrown buds, 2-3 fat cocks, & 1 chipped sw tooth.

It sounds like this is an alternative way to obtain them though, they should drop off NMs as well.

[Gwynplaine]

Have we all come to the conclusion that these new monster types are appearing because of the monster kills from EXP parties or am I missing something? I am pretty sure I saw no Corses the first time I did a lap around Tahrongi.

I'm 100% positive there was no Nauls or Corses up when I checked Tahrongi last time. So its gotta be something like that. That NM is likely to be a Wyrm NM I agree.

[Jeryhn]

Have we all come to the conclusion that these new monster types are appearing because of the monster kills from EXP parties or am I missing something?

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Assuming that maintenance resets EVERYTHING in the zone, I'm not entirely sure. I took this screenshot just after the maintenace yesterday - my group was the first one in the zone just after server up.

You'll notice the Corses were up and popped, checking Tough, and that they are up during daylight hours.

My guess is we're missing something.

[Weeks]

I was the first person in La Theine last night. The mobs right at the start were DC-EM to a 75, but pretty much everything past that was VT-IT. Don't think many mobs get down below that level.

[Spira]

my bet is that Cuelebre is a free spawning NM that appears in the Wyrm family. Also it won't be popped by key item because there are none left available in Tahrongi, and I doubt item either since theres no ??? spot.

Cuelebre doesn't fit anywhere in the pop system as is but doesn't necessarily have to. In Konschtat and La Theine the NM paths are a lot less connected and some NMs are entirely uninvolved in the spawning of others.. at least for now..

Regarding maintenance, i think some things, like mob levels get reset, but others like the numbers that have been killed in the past (to determine what else might pop) will remain. I think of it as similar to a conquest tally, since that doesn't reset after maintenance.

[Seol]

So multi-items poped NMs don't even give 100% key items huh? Just poped Treble Noctules and Ophanim, got Clot Plasma and Buffalo meat respectively with TH4 lol. went 2/2 on Bifrost ring from Vetehim-something, NM Limule. That NM is HARD or EASY depending on how you do it, if you debuff it it will stransfer all the debuffs on you, which makes the fight so hard, no debuffs makes the fight bearable, aside from random AoE spam.

P.S. Saw Mictlantecuhtil up, was Watersday 17:13 game time, they were in the open area East of were Chukwa spawns. The very first time we went in and fought Chukwa we used that area to kill it... and there were no corses around.

[Gwynplaine]

Just looked all over the Nauls area but didn't see any NMs. Nauls aggro to sight though... just fyi...

Also, not like this is news but Ephemeral Clionid in Tahrongi dropped AA of Avarice today. So it seems to be a good source for that abyssite.

Edit: Might as well add, I repeated the Specimen quest today. Just got another Dance Shoes with a whole +1hp on it. Wonder if the reward can be anything different.

[Belkin]

No sign of Cuelebre at Nauls after killing for practically 45 minutes. They didn't drop any items either aside from KS and BS. Maybe something to do with Bhumi? Drag him to Nauls area and he turns into a MAJESTIC WYRM. That would make up for Bhumi's general lack of usefulness. Wouldn't put it past SE since we know that is how you engage Fistule.

Titan and Ouryu are both earth element too. CORRELATION?!

[NynJa]

No sign of Cuelebre at Nauls after killing for practically 45 minutes. They didn't drop any items either aside from KS and BS. Maybe something to do with Bhumi? Drag him to Nauls area and he turns into a MAJESTIC WYRM. That would make up for Bhumi's general lack of usefulness. Wouldn't put it past SE since we know that is how you engage Fistule.

Titan and Ouryu are both earth element too. CORRELATION?!

Ideally though, those with extra tools would be able to see Fistule, since it should still be up and roaming like shiki/VNM, and therefor make it easy to kite the flan over? Same principal should apply then, no?

[Belkin]

Ideally though, those with extra tools would be able to see Fistule, since it should still be up and roaming like shiki/VNM, and therefor make it easy to kite the flan over? Same principal should apply then, no?

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Fistule is not and never was an invisible mob. It's a giant slime you just can't target. Sometime's the slime bosses in walk of echos have this design too.

[NynJa]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Fistule is and never was an invisible mob. It's a giant slime you just can't target. Sometime's the slime bosses in walk of echos have this design too.

um, how do I explain it then, you do VNM's? They're invisible, alive and roaming around, you can see them on apradar with the right settings, but you cant target them.

[Belkin]

Good point but unfortunately I didn't think to use ApRadar in the Nauls area. Perhaps it's worth looking into if anybody is headed there soon.

Edit: Or if somebody has a bot or NPC list, they can use the NPC list to determine an approximate area of where it is...Assuming they go around the whole zone.

[NynJa]

Edit: Or if somebody has a bot or NPC list, they can use the NPC list to determine an approximate area of where it is...Assuming they go around the whole zone.

Doesnt work, since the dat list groups all the NM's together, away from any supposed positions.

[Belkin]

I remember with App, you would have to be within a certain distance of where the mob died (or pops i guess) to get it to show up on the list.

[NynJa]

I remember with App, you would have to be within a certain distance of where the mob died (or pops i guess) to get it to show up on the list.

If you're referring to the "Show All" function, the mob still had to have been spawned at some point for it to exist in memory. So if you head to aery after maint, Show All wont show Faf or Nid, since they never spawned, they're not in memory.

[Belkin]

If you're referring to the "Show All" function, the mob still had to have been spawned at some point for it to exist in memory. So if you head to aery after maint, Show All wont show Faf or Nid, since they never spawned, they're not in memory.

Watch none of this matter because it'll be the pop from the 4 key items. =/

[NynJa]

Watch none of this matter because it'll be the pop from the 4 key items. =/

I think its possible, by process of elimination.

There are 15 pop ???'s (theres a 16th ???, but its in the NPC section I think its CS dialog from an unknown talker), heres the NM list:
Bhumi x5 Roams

Usurper VNM
Yearner VNM
Hungerer x6 VNM

Halimede POP: ???
Vetehinen POP: ???
Ophanim POP: ???
Cannered Noz POP: ???
Treble Noctules POP: ???
Gancanagh POP: ???
Hedetet POP: ???
Abas POP: ???
Alectryon POP: ???
Tefenet POP: ???
Muscaliet POP: ???
Lachrymater --UNKNOWN--
Chloris --UNKNOWN--
Glavoid --UNKNOWN--
Lacovie --UNKNOWN--
Cuelebre --UNKNOWN--
Mictlantecuhtli --UNKNOWN--
Chukwa POP: Always up
Minhocao POP: Always up
Adze POP: Always up
Quetzalli --UNKNOWN--
Manananggal POP: Spawned, hidden
Myrmecoleon --UNKNOWN--
Ambuscader Antlion x5
Iratham --UNKNOWN--


That leaves 4 ??? NM's, The Moaning Vestige POP, and the 3 Key Item set NM's. However, there are 9 Unknown NM's, which means some of these have to be lotto, or theyre spawned in pairs, or theres little gimmicks like Fistule.

Oops, forgot to update about Mictlantecuhtli, 8 unknown NM's, though no one really knows how its spawned? or is it just up?

[Belkin]

Myrmecoleon and his Antlion brigade might be a Pit Ambush type waiting around somewhere randomly. Would explain one of the unknown's and why there isn't a ??? for it.
Also something you can look for on ApRadar, albeit you'd still need to run around the whole zone.

[NynJa]

I ran around pretty much everywhere...nothing. I found all the VNM mobs, as well as a ??? smack dab in the middle of the map (which I cant target?). I'd find it hard to believe I happened to miss all 8 I listed as unknown, but manage to find all 6 Hungerer's, Upsurper and Yearner. So the NM's must either have requirements met to spawn, or they're from the ???'s and spawn in pairs.

[aaronrules33]

Couldn't they also be quest-related? There was already one quest with that red mandy, right? Or are they separated in the .dats, quest mobs/regular mobs?