Abyssea - La Theine Discussion

[Anns]

I definitely agree with that, but I don't think the SCH did that much damage ... I see a lot of helices, some drains and 6 total nukes throughout the full fight. Ice weather too on both rdms, but I didn't bring my obi like a dipshit 'cause I wasn't expecting storms. :/ FWIW I forgot to bring food also and my nuke gear isn't perfect (Need Novio among other things), and I made a few errors. As I said, 3 rdms I think can do it in 20min (or 15 maybe), but I still think 2 rdms can drop it in <40.

Hmm maybe I'm wrong but, I think helixes do help overall, I havent fought many NMs, but the ones Ive trioed with either BLMs or rdm/nins, the fights do go much faster with helixes than without. Do remember that if you see a helix for 100~, it is a DoT, so it sums up.

Either way! Ima happy you guys trioed it, can't wait to try it myself, just for shits n giggles!

[Elrik]

Can we get a confirmation that Bullwhip doesn't give the -50 Light/Dark resistance?

[FailureMidgard]

Hmm maybe I'm wrong but, I think helixes do help overall, I havent fought many NMs, but the ones Ive trioed with either BLMs or rdm/nins, the fights do go much faster with helixes than without. Do remember that if you see a helix for 100~, it is a DoT, so it sums up.

Either way! Ima happy you guys trioed it, can't wait to try it myself, just for shits n giggles!

I have scholar leveled, and I understand this, but it's not like he did anywhere near the damage that the 2 rdms did. A 60 second helix with 100 initial damage is 600~700 damage. It's MP and hate efficient, but it's not super crazy amazing damage (Refresh ticks in that time give 1 blizzard3 for ~400 damage), so it's about as much damage as a dry red mage (and realize, we weren't really dry until 30-40% or something between opening with a convert, then popping meds, and convert being nearly back up again by the time you're done with meds - all of this with an ascetics up). I'm not saying a 3rd person won't help, I'm just saying the bulk of the damage was definitely the red mages in this particular fight (33min) which implies to me that we definitely could have duo'd it in under 1hr's time.

[Hyriu]

As I said, 3 rdms I think can do it in 20min (or 15 maybe),

We just downed it in that time, so you were pretty much spot on.

[Massimo]

Wrong. There is a rage, unless you call 600-800 regular hits on a Paladin normal(without Boost). I've seen it on a shout group over here, they tried DoTing it to death and kiting after but gave up at low %. No idea how long they had been fighting though.

If you actually read, you'd see that I said they probably DID rage it. Raged mobs are easy to unrage though, so I don't really see the problem.

[Belkin]

Oh, that explains it, I was tired and wondering why my dmg was slowly going down. ;p Whatever, for all intents and purposes it hits a point where it's immune to damage.




~3ish min between Invincibles...no idea how it took you that long to do that much damage...did another group wipe? Did you hold it for a bit before starting damage? If you saw it up unclaimed, maybe another group did wipe, and maybe this thing takes 2hrs to lose its Invincible buff? I don't think we've seen a report of leaving it unclaimed for 2hrs yet...

We have left it up for 6 hours and invincible still wasnt off.

[Fottiti]

Like other abyssea mobs it does rage at the 60min mark, it does however deaggro very easily with 1 person pinning it so if you are forced to dot it down you can just have everyone but 1 person zone. Rage is reset as soon as it deaggroes (it was hitting for 350~ through capped stoneskin and became near impossible to land poison/ele dot).

The DT not resetting is similar to AV keeping bracelets and will hopefully get fixed on monday since unless you have a bunch of well geared cors it takes around 120mins to kill with rdm and blm doting.

[Trill]

Oops, we ?tried?, it's a joke to lowman...



Could definitely duo it, I wish I had parsed our fight to be sure, we had 2 rdm/nins and a scholar. The scholar died I think 3 times during the fight (I really don't think he did anywhere near the damage the rdms did given the deaths and longer convert timer). Fight was ~33min (give or take 30 seconds). 2 friends ended up coming at like 12% who were in the zone for Brooder, but really that didn't change the kill-time by more than a minute.

I mean, I probably shouldn't sit here and say it's easy to duo, 'cause I'm sure idiots will try and perma-rage it now, but really 2 competent rdms should be able to kill it before rage easily IMO. With 3, could probably drop it in 20minutes.

{Edit: I guess we're both pretty well geared too? My rdm is definitely far from perfect though. I'd hope anyone doing this would have full Cruor-bought meds also though.}

first i hope u dont take this offensively just wondering a few things. i just did onvi and im really not seeing how 2 rdm/nins could possibly duo it b4 a near rage. My rdm is pretty much the best possible geared aside from a few things like trial of magian staffs and maybe a better torque( have a full elementeal skill setup full int/Mab setup i.e full morri. full merits etc etc and i was only doing like 200ish bliz 3 and sometime maybe a high of 250 stone 5. and this was with food/ascetic tonic(full time) and abyssea buffs. Just wondering how much were the rdms were nuking for when yall did it. I am in no way saying it cant be done, just want some insight as to how as i would like to be able to duo it. we had about 4 ppl at start then got about 6 at the end so was a pretty easy fight but duo seems pretty damn hard.

[sruon]

Water IV should be in the 450 range, maybe your RDM isn't that good.

[EternalSnow]

Ice shot gave it "!!" THe onvi.

[Hyriu]

first i hope u dont take this offensively just wondering a few things. i just did onvi and im really not seeing how 2 rdm/nins could possibly duo it b4 a near rage. My rdm is pretty much the best possible geared aside from a few things like trial of magian staffs and maybe a better torque( have a full elementeal skill setup full int/Mab setup i.e full morri. full merits etc etc and i was only doing like 200ish bliz 3 and sometime maybe a high of 250 stone 5. and this was with food/ascetic tonic(full time) and abyssea buffs. Just wondering how much were the rdms were nuking for when yall did it. I am in no way saying it cant be done, just want some insight as to how as i would like to be able to duo it. we had about 4 ppl at start then got about 6 at the end so was a pretty easy fight but duo seems pretty damn hard.

Obligatory suck less™ post(lul).

My water 4 was doing 450-500, I don't have morrigans and I nuke in an ele torque and omega ring because I'm a cheap ass.

Bliz 3 was doing 416 with Ascetics.

[Trill]

Obligatory suck less™ post(lul).

My water 4 was doing 450-500, I don't have morrigans and I nuke in an ele torque and omega ring because I'm a cheap ass.

Bliz 3 was doing 416 with Ascetics.

guess ill ignore the retarded side of ur post, but was this damage constant from 100-0% cuz yeah it was doing that much at 100% but the more it went down/used invincible damage went down . blms freez II wasnt even hitting 500 after like 50%. just asking. Aslo dont really know if someone claimed it b4 hand/raged it or whatever. We didnt really get hit that much but when we did the damage was fom 2000-3000(never got hit by a melee attack) only TP moves... so im guessing might have been raged? dont know really.

[Hyriu]

Damage obviously went down as it used Invincible but it was still in the high 300s because we only took 20 mins or so to kill. RDM x3

[Trill]

Damage obviously went down as it used Invincible but it was still in the high 300s because we only took 20 mins or so to kill. RDM x3

well do you remember about how many times it did invincible throughout the fight. When we claimed it did invincible off back then it did it about 5 times within 10 minutes and kinda continued that trend through whole fight. it doesnt really seem like the invincibles are timed since it used it at random times not really a constant cooldown times so my general question is this low-man strat soloely based off luck of the draw with the invincibles he uses within a certain time frame? Cuz like i said damage was good and all from like 100-50% but it started it spiked down alot and at the end nukes were doing like 150 or so. oh and my first question was a duo not a trio. i say this cuz i was simply looking for a way to solo this myself via dual-boxing could trio box but that doesnt work out to well unless i use some type of on event or script.

[Chen]

i'm sure someones mentioned it before, but SE didn't seem to resist much, if at all. 2 DRK/NINs using it for full duration over a 30min fight and still hitting 150~ at the end of the fight

[Nitecon]

Went to do Ovni about 4hours ago, was unclaimed.

Pulled it, it was already raged. All rdm tier3 nukes doing < 10 damage.

Went again 10mins ago, unclaimed, pulled it, still raged.

What's up with that? Unrage my arse.

[Thorny]

Rage != DT-. It gets a damage taken- that gradually increases every time it invincibles. This never resets(as of current knowledge). Rage forces full resists and increases his damage, which resets on deaggro.

[Nightfyre]

Not raged, just -dt from Invincible on a previous group. Not going to go away either... if it did he'd be even more of a joke to kill.

[Nitecon]

Rage != DT-. It gets a damage taken- that gradually increases every time it invincibles. This never resets(as of current knowledge). Rage forces full resists and increases his damage, which resets on deaggro.

Awesome, thanks for the info.

So basically some tard bucket on Gilgamesh failed at killing it and fucked with it too long. Ugh.

[Colenzo]

seen the same thing happen with khalamari