Oil companies are causing churches to go bankrupt.

[Shojin]

Wow, who'd have thought something positive would come out of this oil crisis. Thank the lord.

[falloutboy14]

Gimme a break, these guys see an opportunity and are attempting to exploit it. It is a ludicrous angle they are attempting to take. You shouldn't get to sue any and everything that MAY have adverse effects on you, especially when it is two or more degrees of separation. I have no problem with people going after BP for legitimate, first hand claims...but this is nothing more than opportunistic exploitation of the legal system that represents everything that is wrong with our current system. Them being a religious institution should have no bearing on that.

I think we all agree that BP owes money to the individuals and businesses who make their livelihood based on the gulf (fisherman, tourism, etc). But are you saying that the businesses and individuals that make their livelihood based on those people having money to spend shouldn't receive compensation if their business is adversely affected?

If I own a movie theater along the coast, and due to the oil disaster my regular customers no longer have money in their pockets, my business hurts just as much as a fishing industry. In a one-industry town, if you take away that industry, everyone is affected. If BP ruined the fishing industry and indirectly the gulf region's economic base, they're responsible for both imo.

As far as non-profit/business standpoint, shouldn't a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter, which is funded on the generosity of the community have a claim against BP?

[Gadritan]

First of all, lolfalloutboy.

Secondly, in your one-industry town scenario; if that one industry losing money effects the entire community, giving that one industry money will effect the entire community.

You invalidated your own point.

[kuronosan]

I think we all agree that BP owes money to the individuals and businesses who make their livelihood based on the gulf (fisherman, tourism, etc). But are you saying that the businesses and individuals that make their livelihood based on those people having money to spend shouldn't receive compensation if their business is adversely affected?

If I own a movie theater along the coast, and due to the oil disaster my regular customers no longer have money in their pockets, my business hurts just as much as a fishing industry. In a one-industry town, if you take away that industry, everyone is affected. If BP ruined the fishing industry and indirectly the gulf region's economic base, they're responsible for both imo.

As far as non-profit/business standpoint, shouldn't a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter, which is funded on the generosity of the community have a claim against BP?

To be fair, a movie theater offers the service of viewing movies. You can choose to buy or not buy a ticket or you can choose to complain, etc. There's a certain amount of customer service and selling involved with this that I don't care to get into. If, due to the oil disaster, your customers cannot afford the movie tickets, that's not the problem of the movie theater nor is it the burden of BP to address that because nobody can afford tickets. You could always lower ticket prices. You could file appeals, whatever. The point is, say 200,000 people were just laid off (lol cali) and they were the keystone of your movie theater. Are you going to sue the state government for their job loss because now you have no customers?

The church is basically operating as a charitable organization, not a business. It is an organization which relies on the donations of parishioners and community members in order to carry out its charities. Had you read up on your history, you would see that those donations do not go to fund the soup kitchen they are running. Those donations have gone to expanding the church's influence in the immediate area through acquisition of real-estate. In short, those donations weren't used to help any homeless people (directly).

Instead of doing the intelligent thing and possibly considering selling off property or asking for more donations from others in order to help the homeless, or to ask BP to pay money to those directly affected (such as those fishermen who now cannot feed their own families sufficiently, let alone donate money to these assholes), they're asking for a piece of the pie so that they can carry on with the spending they have been engaging in and masking it under the guise of "think of the homeless people lol".

[falloutboy14]

It all depends on when those payments happen. If BP is on their toes and all the money they owe people is out at a pace that would accord with their regular money flow, then that's one thing. But fyi, the Exxon Valdez case ended in the Supreme Court in '08, 19 years after the accident, so I don't think that's going to happen. They're going to drag their feet, like any good business should.

Re lolfalloutboy: I thought of using the name first, why should I change my name just because they suck.
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Re kuronosan: It's not a hurricane that caused this, or a budget deficit, it was a business. One which is legally obligated to compensate those adversely affected. My legalese may be wrong, but logically speaking more then the fishing industy is affected.

[Gadritan]

If BP is on their toes and all the money they owe people is out at a pace that would accord with their regular money flow, then that's one thing. But fyi, the Exxon Valdez case ended in the Supreme Court in '08, 19 years after the accident, so I don't think that's going to happen.

Your point is?

Re lolfalloutboy: I thought of using the name first, why should I change my name just because they suck.

Names of people =/= names of bands. FOB has been around a little bit longer than April btw.

[Churchill]

I've been praying for Katrina II for years now.

Maybe one day...