Why is the better processor cheaper?

[Izzy]

http://tinyurl.com/2b3y9nb

I can't see any reason why the 930 shouldn't cost more than the 920.

[Celeras]

Because they stop binning quantities of the 920 for the 930. Supply and demand. Also:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0331303

[Izzy]

Wow, 90 bucks cheaper lol.

What does binning mean? Producing?

[Celeras]

Chips are created regardless, binning = deciding what theyre going to use them for after being tested. For instance, for AMD X4 chips... those chips are comprised of 4 individual cores. They make the chips, and test them. If they pass the tests they'd be binned for X4 production. If say one core fails or is defective... they'd disable that core and instead bin the chip for X3 production (the same chip, just one less core) instead of scrapping it all-together.

In the case of 920/930, it's the same exact chip at different clocks. Nothing is necessarily defective/not working in these cases, they just put more chips into the higher clocked 930 at this point whereas it used to be the 920 with the higher supply.

[buddha_masta]

interesting

[Cream Soda]

This would be better, no?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103727

[SaviorSelf]

interesting

What is with the people like this who post nothing just to be able to post links or whatever?

[Celeras]

This would be better, no?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103727

Negative, not really even that close performance wise... or even price/performance wise since its only $20 less than the 930 at microcenter. You'd had to go here to be comparable, and even then the i7 would still slightly win performance wise:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-851-_-Product

Though this a whole different discussion lol

[Evanos]

Hey Celeras, with a good powersupply/cpu fan/this motherboard, how well would that 930 overclock?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128423

[Kurokikaze]

I have that exact same motherboard, a 930, and an H50 pump. I've gone from stock to 4.22 but it crashed a lot so I just lowered it to 3.8-4.01GHz. As I tell everyone - when done installing the H50 pump make sure you set the CPU fan to run at max. Smart fan doesn't work well with it.

If you get that board - load your RAM in white slots or it wont boot. ;/

[Evanos]

I have that exact same motherboard, a 930, and an H50 pump. I've gone from stock to 4.22 but it crashed a lot so I just lowered it to 3.8-4.01GHz. As I tell everyone - when done installing the H50 pump make sure you set the CPU fan to run at max. Smart fan doesn't work well with it.

If you get that board - load your RAM in white slots or it wont boot. ;/

Yeah, I read that about the RAM slots. So, are you cooling water or air? Isn't the pump a water cooling component?

[sruon]

It is but watercooling can't do magic tricks, still has to get rid of heat somehow through a heatsink/fan.

[Kurokikaze]

It is water cooling. http://www.corsair.com/products/h50/default.aspx

Whats Sruon said.

[Celeras]

930s overclock very well if you can keep them cool Evanos, they're a bit hot.

h50's are right up there with top air cooling systems, I use one myself because I find all the top air coolers to be to big/bulky/heavy.. and a real water loop to be too expensive (someday, though ). It's decent with the stock fans, and if you go push/pull with aftermarket fans you can drop your temps by an extra 5'C easy no exaggeration. Push/Pull means two fans, one on either side of the rad blowing in the same direction.. one pushing air through, one pulling air through the other side. These are great fans for that purpose, dead silent and fantastic static pressure(CFM doesn't matter as much when a fan is strapped to a rad):

http://www.koolertek.com/computer-pa...5-184p1390.htm

[Artemicon]

Most mother boards have the bank numbers right next to the dimm slots. In this case it reads 2,1,4,3,6,5. They're tricky like that sometimes.