Proposing Something to SE, Need Help

[Dooom]

I present a new method for Dancer to truly fill the niche of a damage dealer

dnc is not a DD, was never imagined to be a DD, stop fucking pushing it as a DD. All this does is hurts dancer's standing in the game as all those idiots will continue to look at dnc and go "lolol you suck as DD" without realising that it's a fucking support class. The whm analogy is totally applicable.

I never really saw why people ignored the OP, but jesus christ this thread provides evidence in buckets.

[fab]

all those are nice ideas for sure .

the only thing that i hate on dnc is that they dont have any kind of blind/slow/para

How about a stance that changes the steps to the oposite effect

letz say

eva down to acc down
def down to attack speed down .


or something like that .

[Damane]

I think this is a too early call, we have still 19 lvls to go to 99, wait and see first what SE has for DNC on the road there.
Besides a good DNC is awesome (but you rarely get across one)

[Forte]

Yeah good luck getting SE to do anything for a dead game.

[kittycatrag]

Sounds like innin.

Dancers FSU on merit and abyssea birds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfCnVM8ViPk) but we need a way to melee and debuffs HNMs without making people complain about feeding TP. Maybe something like footwork. Standing backwards and only using steps is so lame. :E

[Isiolia]

There are still some key things to add to DNC. More DD stuff is not it. DNC is a support class, not a DD class.

Split Waltz timers. Hell, I'd make Healing Waltz AoE, or maybe a tier II version that is. Maybe a JA to remove status with the next Curing Waltz or Divine Waltz.

A Dispel Flourish perhaps.

Those are a couple things that I still see a lack of for DNC as a party healer or support.

[requim]

I still think turning dnc into blu is rather silly.

Yeah good luck getting SE to do anything for a dead game.

Urat, you could argue that dancer's enfeebling abilities are limited in the hopes of getting more/changing steps for slow/para/blind or increased damage.
You could argue that its offensive abilities are limited in the hopes of improving dagger skill or making drain samba actually drain HP.

What you can't do is argue that the job needs improvements because you suck at it.

Ive had many times where everything looks good so I spend my tp to weaponskill and take a chunk out of the enemies HP, only to have it damn near kill the tank and I am now unable to help because I spent all of my TP on the weaponskill.

If you WS and then someone almost dies, what about Reverse Flourish? Or No Foot Rise? Or Meditate? Or Sekki? Or OAX weapons?

Again, you're a failure of a dancer. Stop trying to buff a job you can't effectively play as it is now.

[Nyaanyaa_Midgardsormr]

Tarentella, Dancer 85

Dramatically reduces evasion to increase accuracy and critical hit rate

?

There already is something like that:

Spoiler: show

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/a...changejobs.jpg

Works fine.

[Nightmarelord]

i lol'd. dnc? really?

[Thorny]

Out, all of you. DNC's use is being able to cure 3k hp/minute indefinitely while giving a melee party 10% haste. Nobody gives a fuck about your damage, because that amount of healing is fucking absurd and allows the real DD to go balls to the wall on pretty much anything that won't one shot them.

[Punices9]

I like this idea even though I am no DNC but that final move is quite broken.

An "8 hit attack that cripples the opponents defense, evasion, attack, and accuracy. Coupled with a very potent stun and a temporary parameter enhancement for all party members (all stats+10)" is all sorts of ridiculous.

BRB soloing AV...

[Ksandra]

dnc is not a DD, was never imagined to be a DD, stop fucking pushing it as a DD. All this does is hurts dancer's standing in the game as all those idiots will continue to look at dnc and go "lolol you suck as DD" without realising that it's a fucking support class. The whm analogy is totally applicable.

I never really saw why people ignored the OP, but jesus christ this thread provides evidence in buckets.

^ quoting in hopes OP will let it eventually sink in.

If you lvled Dnc to be a DD, you lvled the wrong job. Stop trying to ruin the class. If you want to make suggestions to SE, let them be about increasing their support roles, not DD...

[mcb]

it sounds like you want to turn a support job into a DD job... why not just ask from some moddest form of attack bonus for dnc and thf so that they have a legitimate chance of doing actual dmg to a big mob. one of the biggest issues for dnc is its crap value in endgame, because we can't count on a dnc getting tp quickly enough, and then being able to use a bunch of healing abilities to cover the dmg taken. its fine in xp where dmg is moddest, and its fine supporting a melee pt in an ally, but if there's meat tanks i wouldn't trust a dnc.

dear SE, both thf and dnc must hit high level mobs for dmg to be effective. using 1 hand weapons their acc falls behind many of the heavy DD while the low dmg daggers and lack of attack reduces the amount of dmg each hit can do. please consider enhancing their melee offense so that while gaining tp they can also contribute in a meaningful way to killing the mob.

[Arthars]

dancer is 1 of the best support to date.........for merit at least

why are you wanting it to be a warrior now -_-

how about giving dnc the ability to wield great axe and do KJ at a cost of 20 TP

[Massimo]

Urat strikes again.

[Antithesis]

For the most part, Dancer has some usefulness in a variety of events. Now Beastmaster, that shit has not had any fucking niche since its inception into the game.

Ok I lied. Tiamet.

[Hyan]

For the most part, Dancer has some usefulness in a variety of events. Now Beastmaster, that shit has not had any fucking niche since its inception into the game.

I was actually expecting RDM or THF to be brought up soon enough but I didn't even think of BST.

[Artemas]

I'd like to see the affects of Saberdance (separate from sambas) affect party. Perhaps not to the same degree, but increases double attack rate. Same with Fandance, increase damage mitigation at a set % as long as the dancers have these abilities on.

That would be amazing.

*MP waltz

That would be cheating.

[Byrthnoth]

You obviously put a lot of effort into this, but... Dancer is the most capable healer in the game. 500hp cured every 6 seconds.

The job still needs:
1) lowered waltz 4 recast
2) Split odd/even Waltz timers
3) People to stop viewing DDing as part of the job instead of a convenient byproduct.
4) Even more subtle blow.

[Heie]

This is freaken retarted. Dnc can be a very strong DD if you set it up that way. My GF does 4k to mobs you merit on at 75 as Dnc80/Sam40. Get 200 TP and 5 steps, split your TP with sam JA. Evisceration > DE > Distortion > Use Reverse Florisih > Evisceration > Darkness. It is complete rape to mobs. Not to mention dnc can blood tank really well with Fan Dance. On top of all that they can heal really well. If you think Dnc isn't a strong DD then whoever is playing dnc doesn't know how to bring out its full potental. This isn't even covering all the other shit Dnc gets like Stun or Saberdance along with Steps. If anything Dnc needs a nerf. (I don't think any jobs should ever be nerfed.) Saying Dnc needs more buffs is freaken retarted though. Yes dnc can't heal and DD at the same time. It would be really broken beyond belief it could. You don't see Mages DDing and Nuking at the same time. Yes they can DD and toss our a out a cure being Blu mage or Rdm curing and toss out a nuke here or there but they aren't doing it consistantly. Even if you are curing on Dnc you should still be putting up box and quick so the rest of your PT is doing more dmg on top of having Haste samba up. Even then you are still doing dmg from melee hits even if your TP is going to cures.