Random Question Thread XII: Don't Believe Advanced's Lies

[Kalisa]

If you have Bard, those particular trials will be better done on Bard so you can double March. Being bard also helps you seduce chronic soloers into your party. Give them a doubleshot of your sexy hasty beam and they'll probably kill for you even when their weather isn't up. I also recommend pulling out your NPC so it can cast silence on the funguars while you're badly paralyzed.

I actually have all three jobs that can use the daggers leveled and have been doing the trials on DNC. I know Marches > Haste Samba, but DNC is just so very much more painless when soloing. XD It's also my main job and my reason for doing dagger trials at all.

I've been doing my Plantoids on the EP Saplings at the bottom of Crawler's Nest [S]. It's completely painless, much nicer than status-inundating Funguars and guarding/countering/double-attacking mandies. I'll try to put something together in /sh or something though.

I mentioned the Acc Kila earlier, but I really recommend getting one. It sounds stupid, but doing the Acc Kila stages is a welcomed break from killing 600 *insert monster type here*. You can also work on the Fusetto if you're 80.

Yeah, I really want one of those, but I hate the elemental weapon trials so very much, lol. I worked on two Evasion daggers before the cap increase, when I switched to focusing on Parazonium. Morbols in wind scarred me forever. x.x I am 80, but wasn't really interested in the Fusetto to be honest...

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

[Aristio]

Fixed it...

Had <rrear> instead of <rear>

[Byrthnoth]

I've been doing my Plantoids on the EP Saplings at the bottom of Crawler's Nest [S]. It's completely painless, much nicer than status-inundating Funguars and guarding/countering/double-attacking mandies. I'll try to put something together in /sh or something though.

You don't really need to shout for a group, and JPs won't respond to that probably. You'll have better luck looking at search comments in the tree (Plantoid Killer, or Trial 14).

Also, I never ran into another Bard doing the dagger trials in the entire time I was doing it, but I met plenty of Dancers with capped Haste Samba. So it's not really Marches>Haste Samba, it's Haste Samba+Marches > Haste Samba. Whenever my NPC isn't being a tool, it's Marches, Haste Samba, and Haste > Haste Samba.

I don't know about you, and you may not have tried it, buuuuut... my BRD/NIN kills faster than my DNC/SAM (and consequently holds hate off every DNC I met). The TP and WS gears are better, the sword skill is better (joyeuse is a beast), and the Weaponskill is better (Mordant Rime ftw). Admittedly, my DNC is 79 so I don't have Dual wield 4 yet.

[Atoreis]

I actually have all three jobs that can use the daggers leveled and have been doing the trials on DNC. I know Marches > Haste Samba, but DNC is just so very much more painless when soloing. XD It's also my main job and my reason for doing dagger trials at all.

I've been doing my Plantoids on the EP Saplings at the bottom of Crawler's Nest [S]. It's completely painless, much nicer than status-inundating Funguars and guarding/countering/double-attacking mandies. I'll try to put something together in /sh or something though.


Yeah, I really want one of those, but I hate the elemental weapon trials so very much, lol. I worked on two Evasion daggers before the cap increase, when I switched to focusing on Parazonium. Morbols in wind scarred me forever. x.x I am 80, but wasn't really interested in the Fusetto to be honest...

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

I quess none knows yet if you can make 2 other weapons with same name and rare? (like Parazonium da+7% and Parazonium 2-3)
Assuming you cant what are best daggers to do for DNC?
2-3,oat or da+7%?
store tp or eviceration +10%? (eviceration seems to be more useful now since its closing darkness and you can force first hit critical?)
da from trait and equip and da from saber stacks like 10%+50% or more lke da and occasionaly attack twice weapons? or Saber dance just SET you da at some % that cant be modyfied?

[Kalisa]

I quess none knows yet if you can make 2 other weapons with same name and rare? (like Parazonium da+7% and Parazonium 2-3)
Assuming you cant what are best daggers to do for DNC?
2-3,oat or da+7%?
store tp or eviceration +10%? (eviceration seems to be more useful now since its closing darkness and you can force first hit critical?)
da from trait and equip and da from saber stacks like 10%+50% or more lke da and occasionaly attack twice weapons? or Saber dance just SET you da at some % that cant be modyfied?

Based on how the game handles rare items, I really doubt you could use two different Parazonium daggers, but I'm only ~95% sure. If you insist on having two multi-attack weapons, you could use a Parazonium with an Athame left at the final stage.

Best dagger for raw TP gain will be the OA2-3. OA2 doesn't have a high enough proc rate to justify losing the triple attack chance, and DA+7% is just kinda pointless in the face of the other options.

Can't say for sure on your other questions.

[Darkmagi]

Ok just reinstalled and updated POL and I'm getting this error: Failed to replace the file "C:\Program Files\PlayOnlineViewer\polhook.dll" Please restart the PlayOnline Viewer.
Anyone know what the problem might be?

Edit: nevermind it stopped. Sorry

[Byrthnoth]

Which offhand you choose (between OAT and OA2-3) depends on how much TP you think you'll need. Auric/OA2-3 gives a DNC/SAM 11.5% more TP/sec than Auric/OAT, but Auric/OAT has 17% higher DPS. The more TP you have on Dancer, the easier it is to do your job. Some people would argue that DNC should do nothing but maximize TP gain in their TPing set, but I see nothing wrong with optimizing DoT as long as you keep your TP gain up high enough that you can main heal.

It's an easier decision to make if you (like me) have no way to kill Verthandi. I'd urge you not to underestimate how long it'll take to kill all those 2-3 path mobs. At 50/hour (which is generous considering Peistes and Puks), it'll take you 51 hours to get the OA2-3 dagger. In my opinion though, 2-3 route is the safest as it likely opens the door to the 2-4 route.

I need to re-evaluate whether I think the STP dagger is worthwhile for my dancer anymore, now that Auric has been found.

[Atoreis]

Based on how the game handles rare items, I really doubt you could use two different Parazonium daggers, but I'm only ~95% sure. If you insist on having two multi-attack weapons, you could use a Parazonium with an Athame left at the final stage.

Best dagger for raw TP gain will be the OA2-3. OA2 doesn't have a high enough proc rate to justify losing the, and DA+7% is just kinda pointless in the face of the other options.

Can't say for sure on your other questions.

OA2 has on the other hand one of the best DPS I think.
DA+7% if works for both hands and stacked with brutal and or saber dance could also result in much better dps i think (well lets calc):
DPS:
Auric + oa2-3 would be (assuming fstr=2?):
(41*1,05+22*1,71)*60/((201+211)*0,6)= 19,59

Auric + da7%:
(43*1,12+41*1,12)*60/((201+211)*0,6)= 22,83

swings per round:
Auric + Oa2-3: 1,75
Auric + da: 1,24

Now main question is how da from equip saber dance and trait stacks.
If it stacks directly and with da7% dagger, /war, brutal and saber dance you have 7+10+5+50=72% DA rate on first minute of saber and 59% avg for 3 min then 2-3 dagger lose a lot on that combo and then you need to choose between probably best DD combo (auric+da) or best TP gain (healing) combo (auric+2-3) (assuming you cant use waltz when saber dance cuz could be that auric+da is albo best tp gain combo under saber dance effect)

[Falaras]

Heard of Sam + Rdm duoing Khalamari, would Sam + Whm work for this? Also how much evasion gear does the Sam need to be using (Would Usu Head + Eva Torque + SH + Skote + Rasetsu Feet + Boxers work?). I also have Nin and Mnk at 75...not sure if it would be better to use those jobs.
Edit: Sam is 80.

[chazzyphizzle]

I would think a rdm is almost a necessity just for a potent slow 2 so you can have as many shadows up as possible at all times, because you will die if you get hit by mantle pierce. Well, not always but both times i've been hit with pierce with 2 shadows up also, it did about 1850 dmg.

[Falaras]

Would you advise using things like Carbonara and HP gear for when that does happen?

[Nightfyre]

MNK with HP enhancement could survive that no? Not sure about SAM.

[chazzyphizzle]

I had a non-abyssite enhanced HP enhancement as elvaan sam, put me up to about 1700ish HP, so still one shotted me. Galka mnk i was with had 2100hp but never got hit with a full damage pierce, somehow the one he got hit with did 300ish dmg.

[Falaras]

So basically the whole fight depends on how lucky you are with having your shadows absorb Mantle Pierce?

[chazzyphizzle]

Going full evasion on it should help a bunch, I was just using regular tp gear.

[Darkmagi]

Without a rdm full eva nin might be a better choice, 4 shadows on ni and more eva. I remember hearing mantle pierce can 1shot a mnk with hp boost and counterstance, so rabbit pie or hp food and eva gear maybe?

[Kalisa]

Will Balor's EES be potentially lethal if I go try for a swift belt as THF75/DNC? Hoping I don't need /NIN because I still need to farm fomor hate and would rather not have to run back to Tavnazia.

[Niiro]

I seriously doubt it'll pose any real threat, probably wont even land.

Just don't let your HP drop too low, and it'd have to be really low for it to take you out.

[Kalisa]

I seriously doubt it'll pose any real threat, probably wont even land.

Just don't let your HP drop too low, and it'd have to be really low for it to take you out.

Thanks. I doubted it would be an issue, but EES is one of those "you never know" 2hrs in my eyes.

[Zephirian]

Probably a stupid question, but are Level 75 ENMs still capped at 75?