FFXIV Random Speculation/Question thread IV: I got beta inv but my 5 year old PC can't run it

[Purrrfect]

I hope you're kidding about these 2 points... The rest yeah, are issues and need to be corrected and patched but you can't honestly complain about how many zones there are, unless im reading that wrong and it's more about you needing to go through 8 zones to reach a certain area. Also server up/down time is part of testing, even if you are not actually physically testing your character, you're testing the server stability.

You have 8 zones littered with NPCs... Each separated by a loading screen. Do you want to shop through 8 Rolanberries? "Done with this zone... next!" Idk, bout you but thats exhausting, not very efficient, clunky altogether. Trying to find a specific vendor is a nightmare. You get to pick the zone you want to jump too but its still really slow.

I saw two zones and called it quits.

Yes I'm aware of that which is why I've stated it. Its really hard to test things that effect the economy with limited server uptime. Until then those are the problems I've encountered with this feature. Thats not a complaint, btw, I'm just pointing that out.

I think you 2 got crossed up there. It sounded like Meresgi originally thought Kuro was talking about just 8 zones available in the entire test, where by 8 zones Kuro meant the 8 market wards. That limited zone number wasn't a complaint against the whole beta (well not directly I suppose... ).

Well, as exciting as the discussion is about menu delay time...

Has anyone been able to fight mobs that have the same, or similar, jobs/skills that players get? Do mobs block or parry or use certain moves on you if the evade an attack? This was something that was in FFXI that I really liked, but I felt like they really half-assed. Sure, MNK mobs could counter and guard, WAR mobs could double attack, but you would never see something parry or shield block or use abilities tied to their class like Jump, Rampart or Aggressor. Are these limitations removed?

Also, how come nobody talks about Thaumaturge? Are people embarrassed that they might not be able to spell it correctly during discussion or is it just ridiculously unpopular for some reason?

As of yesterday morning I made a brand new thaumaturge, and boy do they kill slow as fuck compared to melee. The only fight I got to do was the tutorial one on the boat, and it took at least 15-20 spirit dart things to kill it, and I used scourge and its counterpart prolly about 10 times each and every single one said it failed. If we get a functional test again I'll try more with it, but they are pretty shitastic out the gate.

[Kurokikaze]

Yeah I was referring to the Market Wards. Sorry, I thought that was clear. :X

Mage classes not getting great reception since the start of Beta. People keep telling me to Level Conjurer etc... Not touching that shit with a 10 foot pole.

[BlackheartX]

Yeah I was referring to the Market Wards. Sorry, I thought that was clear. :X

Mage classes not getting great reception since the start of Beta. People keep telling me to Level Conjurer etc... Not touching that shit with a 10 foot pole.

If it stays gimp assume it's going to be broken as hell later. Not as if being weak then overpowered hasn't happened before.

[Maguspk]

[Hyan]

All these issues just make me that much more excited for the future updates. There's so much shit to change still.

I mean they could completely fail this whole thing, but I'm not cynical enough to believe that :D.

[BlackheartX]

DP

[aru]

I like Thaumaturge, and enjoyed playing it up to level 15 or so in Alpha. With the changes to spellcasters in Beta, though, it is infuriating to play without constantly camping at the Aetheryte. Reasons for this include:

1) Thaumaturges get more spells per level than any class in Beta so far (I think.) Some levels I was learning two spells -- Bio/Dia for example, Slow/Gravity for another -- rather than one. I don't have enough AP to equip half of those the last time I checked.

2) Having lots of spells is great. If you have the MP to cast them. IIRC they cost between 7-11mp to cast. Say I only cast Poison, Scourge, Scourge, and then use Phantom Dart to finish off a mob, I've used up almost 30mp from my initial starting pool of approx 300 MP. Phantom Dart does almost no damage, so EITHER I dump MP into actual spells to finish mobs off in a reasonable time, or I spend three minutes killing a mob while my Pugilist at the same level has already killed four mobs.

In other words, THM and CNJ are really great in concept, but both need MASSIVE balancing, which goes back to a) the lack of Refresh or /resting for MP in the field, and b) the amount of damage the base TP-building attacks do. Again, this is only to level 5 or so, but I gave up after that because it takes a lot longer to rank up in beta as it is, w/out the massive extra time it takes to skill up through spells vs physical attacks

Is it possible that SE thinks it's balanced since mages are AoE/Conical and melee are single target? In other words, maybe they only seem weak because you are using spells designed for multiple enemies against a single enemy? So instead of casting poison 10 times on 10 monsters and spending 50mp you are capable of casting it once on 10 monsters and spending 5mp? Maybe that's how they see it balancing out but since, as far as I know, there aren't "many vs party" battles yet, only "single vs party", they seem weak? Maybe they could up the potency vs a reduced amount of enemy targets?

[BlackheartX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmy7Ze18NY

This is funny but so far it's shots fired down a one way street and doesn't really have any good arguments. However it's funny cause it has the online.

[BlackheartX]

Is it possible that SE thinks it's balanced since mages are AoE/Conical and melee are single target? In other words, maybe they only seem weak because you are using spells designed for multiple enemies against a single enemy? So instead of casting poison 10 times on 10 monsters and spending 50mp you are capable of casting it once on 10 monsters and spending 5mp? Maybe that's how they see it balancing out but since, as far as I know, there aren't "many vs party" battles yet, only "single vs party", they seem weak? Maybe they could up the potency vs a reduced amount of enemy targets?

So far only multiple mobs that behave as a group seem to be in leves. Aoe from what I've seen this early isn't super strong but can be useful if your not near something you don't want to aggro.

[Kurokikaze]

All these issues just make me that much more excited for the future updates. There's so much shit to change still.

Yeah dude, I'm looking forward to the next version update about as much as I did in FFXI just so I can finally see how it all comes together and whether or not SE is really listening.

[Maguspk]

Is it possible that SE thinks it's balanced since mages are AoE/Conical and melee are single target? In other words, maybe they only seem weak because you are using spells designed for multiple enemies against a single enemy? So instead of casting poison 10 times on 10 monsters and spending 50mp you are capable of casting it once on 10 monsters and spending 5mp? Maybe that's how they see it balancing out but since, as far as I know, there aren't "many vs party" battles yet, only "single vs party", they seem weak? Maybe they could up the potency vs a reduced amount of enemy targets?

The spells are not AoE, at least for conjurer. I do notice some Thaum spells are AoE though. Even if they are AoE though, it doesn't justify itself because the skill gains are not comparable to melee classes no matter how you slice it. We gain the same skill on a regular spell that the melees gain on their FACEROLL, spammable '1' ability. Every melee class can just spam 1 and get decent skill points, and their '1' scales with their stats. The bread and butter '1' attack for mages does not scale whatsoever, and it does pathetic damage (about 10-30, I started doing about 30 after I bought the rank 17 conjurer wand, thank god there are no restrictions in place) and the skill gain is about 8-20 skill points if it procs.

Let's assume somehow, despite all these drawbacks the AoE aspect is some sort of saving grace. The mage classes have no way to fight multiple monsters, they would simply die after the first nuke, or even before then as they were struggling to group the mobs together.

[Kurokikaze]

The spells are not AoE, at least for conjurer.

The spells are AoE for Conjurer just the range is short. Also their buffs are not just AoE... they hit people outside the party. Idk how that was happening lol.

Rag hasn't tested with new set he got (Choke/Burn/Frost/etc) but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Maguspk]

The spells are not AoE for conjurer, I don't care what the tooltip says or what you remember. I have had mobs literally on top of eachother and the log still shows one mob taking damage and viewing the other mobs health shows no drop at all.

[BlackheartX]

I wonder if this will finally be a game where mages aren't > melee or balanced in way that doesn't make them feel entitled late game cause it was harder to grind early on. Also how many times can you spam Stoneskin.

[Kurokikaze]

Oh then Rag casting Thunder on 3 mobs during a guildleve was just my imagination.

AoE works differently in this game - the mobs actually need to be attacking you or be on your hate list to get hit (that or they need to be red I think). My Circle Blade didn't hit other moles that were standing next to me... It must not be AoE.

^ This explains why that happened. I'm looking at vids... They're AoE. lol

[Maguspk]

lol play conjurer and try it. I've had 2 wingrats attacking me during the lvl 10 guildleve and only one took damage. I don't care what you remember your best buddy Rag doing, either way it's buggy and no the AoE aspect, even if it's somehow there does not make up for the fact that melees have a distinct advantage over mage classes who are inherently disadvantaged.

[BlackheartX]

lol play conjurer and try it. I've had 2 wingrats attacking me during the lvl 10 guildleve and only one took damage. I don't care what you remember your best buddy Rag doing, either way it's buggy and no the AoE aspect, even if it's somehow there does not make up for the fact that melees have a distinct advantage over mage classes who are inherently disadvantaged.

K I'm going with the beta excuse.

[Kurokikaze]

Not saying mages aren't at a disadvantage, I agree completely. I'm just correcting something you said that was wrong. Whether its working correctly is whats up for debate.

[Sirenia]

I think Conjurer is AOE because I got aggro on a rat or something while I was fighting another one.

[Zeh]

how is this different from being a black Mage in XI