2 Years In Prison - A Man's Story

[BerenTebogo]

I agree with no mercy for rape, for the record. That doesn't help someone survive.

Glad we see eye to eye on that at least.

[Kohan]

Glad we see eye to eye on that at least.

A lot of other things too, truthfully, but I find too much of General Discussion bothersome and much prefer spam. Lately, I've been too busy trying to juggle work and relocating to really mess with either.

Couldn't miss posting in this thread, though. I appreciated having something so meaningful to read.

[Edgie]

Would you still love Reeses Pieces if they had been smuggled inside someones ass. i dont think you would. Plus they would be all soft and shit. I love Reeses from the freezer.

[Ryukus]

Wow, great read. A great man once said that the prison system isn't reformatory, it's only purgatory. After reading this, I feel like that's putting it lightly.

I personally have been poor all my life, so I can relate to the armed robbery thing. I would never do it myself, but it stems from desperation. Random fact pulled out of my ass, but I would say at least 90% of the time sticking someone up is simply the same thing as conning someone. They don't want to hurt anyone, they just want to make ends meet, or score the next hit, etc. It is a method used to get a result.

At the end of the day though, you have to be wise enough to realize that most won't see it this way, and you will do time. The worst thing anyone can do is threaten violence. Hell, CEO's can steal millions of dollars and get a vacation in minimum security prison. Where as someone can stick someone up for forty dollars and end up like this guy.

[Despain]

I heard child molesters get fucked up in prison, real talk. Well-deserved to be honest.

[Kuya]

Above poster is a good example in Did Not Read OP. Or DNRO.

[Nevex]

Read through most of it, I feel no pity for this guy.
What he experienced in those two years is nothing compared to what could have happened to someone else if he shot someone during that robbery.

[BerenTebogo]

This weeks P&T: Bullshit was actually about the criminal justice system (and the inherent bias and heavy-handedness that is involved) if those of you who have been so inspired by this are interested

Season 8 episode 7
http://extratorrent.com/torrent/2272....XviD-SYS.html

Innocent people in jail, peer review of forensics, etc. It's interesting.

[Chezo]

Very interesting read for me, prison is a different universe, I have never been there but I know a couple of people who have. One of them being my mom who taught a GED class in a prison for 2yrs and wrote a book about it(http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Tango-Je.../dp/0979783038). Storys from prison tell themselves, its unreal what happens in theses places of "security."

edit: btw if anyone clicks the link, the book is written as fiction because there is some kind of law/agreement or something against publishing any works on the prison system itself if you had any kind of exposure to it. Not 100% sure exactly why but there was some kind of enforcement from the prison holding her back from writing the book as non-fiction. The person that majority of the book is about doesn't even know it exists(as far as we know) due to legal issues.

[Elcura]

Besides the ATM machine he was also talking about breaking his parole, the only thing stopping him was the US checking passports in Mexico. I don't believe he mentioned it but I have serious doubts this guy isn't still doing drugs, where even his parents won't let him live with them until he cleans up.

Sure he can write, but once you get past that it's just like he said, he isn't a unique case. He hasn't reformed in any way and the only thing keeping him from more armed robbery isn't because it's a shitty thing to do but because he thinks prison is scary.

Did you read anything properly? He explains why he was thinking of breaking parole, and if you can't understand why he was thinking about the ATM, then you're stupid. Prison fucks people up inside, but the system never leaves them alone, even after they're out.

I say this without proof or anything like that, but from what I can gather, I would bet a lot of ex-cons go back to prison because life isn't much better outside for them. That, or they have no opportunities to get back on their feet so they turn back to crime.

[SephYuyX]

Did you read anything properly? He explains why he was thinking of breaking parole, and if you can't understand why he was thinking about the ATM, then you're stupid. Prison fucks people up inside, but the system never leaves them alone, even after they're out.

I say this without proof or anything like that, but from what I can gather, I would bet a lot of ex-cons go back to prison because life isn't much better outside for them. That, or they have no opportunities to get back on their feet so they turn back to crime.

That and they get used to it, it's what they know.
From what he was saying it was hell for the first year, but after that it got 'better' for him. He knew how things worked, and wasnt the new guy anymore; new guys looked up to him, older guys went to him for help in academics.

[Meresgi]

That and they get used to it, it's what they know.
From what he was saying it was hell for the first year, but after that it got 'better' for him. He knew how things worked, and wasnt the new guy anymore; new guys looked up to him, older guys went to him for help in academics.

Yeah, he was also saying about how he's just getting thrown random parole officers, one of which wants to send him back into jail for having messy hair and is just slapping him with curfews and shit. Can't blame him for wanting to leave the States, I just don't see that happening really.

[Stee]

Did you read anything properly? He explains why he was thinking of breaking parole, and if you can't understand why he was thinking about the ATM, then you're stupid. Prison fucks people up inside, but the system never leaves them alone, even after they're out.

I say this without proof or anything like that, but from what I can gather, I would bet a lot of ex-cons go back to prison because life isn't much better outside for them. That, or they have no opportunities to get back on their feet so they turn back to crime.

lol ok if I'm stupid please tell me what is this supposed awesome reason he has for holding the guard at gunpoint and robbing a ATM?

If this guy is reformed, trying to start a new life and the system is holding him down then ok I can feel some pity for him but anyone with half a brain after reading his tale can tell if given a opportunity without any cops around he would commit armed robbery again in a heartbeat. What if the victim gets shot the next time around? your going to tell me it wasn't his fault man, the system forced him to do it.

There are a lot of people out there to feel pity for, this isn't one of those people.

[Elcura]

lol ok if I'm stupid please tell me what is this supposed awesome reason he has for holding the guard at gunpoint and robbing a ATM?

If this guy is reformed, trying to start a new life and the system is holding him down then ok I can feel some pity for him but anyone with half a brain after reading his tale can tell if given a opportunity without any cops around he would commit armed robbery again in a heartbeat. What if the victim gets shot the next time around? your going to tell me it wasn't his fault man, the system forced him to do it.

There are a lot of people out there to feel pity for, this isn't one of those people.

Letse, shitty parole officers being unreasonable, threatening to send him back to jail for arbritary reason. Looking for a job while having to travel 2 hours back and forth between NA meetings (along with a curfew) limiting the time he can look. Being an ex-con and looking for a job period, finding a job out of state bounds and needing to deal with stupid parole officers more. This thought is a moment of weakness, but I'm sure you have no idea what those are being the fucking fortress of mental fortitude that you are.

That's probably only a small part, and only a small part in the last section as well. You talk as if he already fucking robbed someone again. That thinking about it is just a precursor to doing it again. People have some weird fantasies and thoughts, we shouldn't condemn everyone on the basis of that alone.

Guess what, he hasn't done anything yet, and if he does, then you'd be right. But until then, you're not. People are allowed to feel empathy for the guy, not for what he did, but for how he describes his experiences and his self-awareness with his situation. When you're empathetic, you try and understand how that person feels, and if you succeed even slightly, you would start to feel pity.

[SephYuyX]

lol ok if I'm stupid please tell me what is this supposed awesome reason he has for holding the guard at gunpoint and robbing a ATM?

If this guy is reformed, trying to start a new life and the system is holding him down then ok I can feel some pity for him but anyone with half a brain after reading his tale can tell if given a opportunity without any cops around he would commit armed robbery again in a heartbeat. What if the victim gets shot the next time around? your going to tell me it wasn't his fault man, the system forced him to do it.

There are a lot of people out there to feel pity for, this isn't one of those people.

Youre still not getting it. I didnt really think it was that hard to understand why he would want to break parole, or why he would want to rob the ATM at gunpoint. However it's something youre only going to be able to fully understand after going to prison. You go in to a system where everything goes against human nature, it erases everything you know, and resets you. Even if youre only in there for a year, it will erase 20 years of living a normal life, and when you get out, youre fucked. You forget how to do everything, you want to start over, but you cant physically, mentally, and even when youre out, youre still hounded by the system. If youre able to overcome all of that, you get a shit job, and it just makes things worse because you hate it, and youre still thinking in a prison mentality.

Why rob an ATM? Because it means he wouldnt have to worry about any of that BS, he could buy his way anywhere in the world, buy an island, and live for himself without ever having to be bugged by anyone, or worry about anything, he could spend the rest of his days drugged out. The down side? he could get caught, and you know what? I dont think he'd really care if he did or not. He'll go back to the system he's now used to, and embraces whether he wants to admit it or not. You can leave prison, but itll never leave you. If he didnt have the parents he did, he would have, thats probably the only thing making him try to play it straight.

Who says he's reformed? He said himself that he's not, he also said he didnt want anyones pity.

[Stee]

Letse, shitty parole officers being unreasonable, threatening to send him back to jail for arbritary reason. Looking for a job while having to travel 2 hours back and forth between NA meetings (along with a curfew) limiting the time he can look. Being an ex-con and looking for a job period, finding a job out of state bounds and needing to deal with stupid parole officers more. This thought is a moment of weakness, but I'm sure you have no idea what those are being the fucking fortress of mental fortitude that you are.

That's probably only a small part, and only a small part in the last section as well. You talk as if he already fucking robbed someone again. That thinking about it is just a precursor to doing it again. People have some weird fantasies and thoughts, we shouldn't condemn everyone on the basis of that alone.

Guess what, he hasn't done anything yet, and if he does, then you'd be right. But until then, you're not. People are allowed to feel empathy for the guy, not for what he did, but for how he describes his experiences and his self-awareness with his situation.

People who think its everyone elses fault but theirs annoy the hell out of me.

Do you really think second chances are suppose to be easy?

I'm sure his parole officers are shitty as hell and the parole system needs some type of reform but if your asking for a second chance then there isn't shit to be picky about.

And don't make it sound like he's going to be on parole the rest of his life if he follows their guidelines.

[Elcura]

People who think its everyone elses fault but theirs annoy the hell out of me.

Do you really think second chances are suppose to be easy?

I'm sure his parole officers are shitty as hell and the parole system needs some type of reform but if your asking for a second chance then there isn't shit to be picky about.

And don't make it sound like he's going to be on parole the rest of his life if he follows their guidelines.

He knows it's his fault, but that doesn't stop us from being able to see what douches the people around him are being and how hard they're making it. The point is, if it wasn't such an ordeal, perhaps true reform would be possible, especially to those seeking it. Those who don't give a shit will likely end up back in jail, but seeing this lets us know how much harder they make it.

Second chances aren't supposed to be easy, but if you think about those in for minor offenses or those who are wrongly accused, then the whole thing becomes more perverse. Sure, beggers can't be choosers, but there's nothing wrong with wanting things to be easier, or more likely to be fair.

And I never mentioned anything about parole 4 lyfe, simply that they're making it harder to do what is asked. It's like a stone's throw away from being asked to save a kitten from a burning tree once a week or you go back to jail.

[Stee]

Who says he's reformed? He said himself that he's not, he also said he didnt want anyones pity.

So then why are people defending him?

He feels no remorse for robbing someone at gunpoint and chances are hes going to do it again while he may or may not be on a drug high, with the possibility of someone getting killed the next time around.

[Elcura]

So then why are people defending him?

He feels no remorse for robbing someone at gunpoint and chances are hes going to do it again while he may or may not be on a drug high, with the possibility of someone getting killed the next time around.

Either you can see the future, or you're making shit up.

[Kohan]

So then why are people defending him?

He feels no remorse for robbing someone at gunpoint and chances are hes going to do it again while he may or may not be on a drug high, with the possibility of someone getting killed the next time around.

This is a beautiful example of prejudice at its finest, and the entire reason criminals are rarely truly reformed. "Man, that guy fucked up. Screw him. Second chances are for suckers."