2 Years In Prison - A Man's Story

[Stee]

Second chances require you to be remorseful of the shit you did wrong the first time around.

He says he isn't and isn't reformed, therefore he doesn't deserve this second chance.

How am I wrong?

[Cleverness]

So it's wrong that he thought about it? Who hasn't thought about doing shit they aren't supposed to do. Lots of people think of things they should never do, like assault someone, murder someone, robbing someone at night, grab a girls titty, etc. The intelligence to not act on those random impulses is what separates people out of jail to those in jail.

Honestly it seems people here need to realize this guy himself isn't trying at all to ever justify his actions, he already knows he did wrong and got an amazing deal for the crime he did. If you're not reading his stories as just that, stories, that are surprisingly well written retelling of the experience of someone in jail then you're not getting the point.

[Elcura]

He says he isn't and isn't reformed, therefore he doesn't deserve this second chance.

How am I wrong?

We should just send him back to jail now, since he obviously doesn't deserve this second chance. I mean, it's not like he served his sentence or anything.

[Mojo]

lol ok if I'm stupid please tell me what is this supposed awesome reason he has for holding the guard at gunpoint and robbing a ATM?

If this guy is reformed, trying to start a new life and the system is holding him down then ok I can feel some pity for him but anyone with half a brain after reading his tale can tell if given a opportunity without any cops around he would commit armed robbery again in a heartbeat. What if the victim gets shot the next time around? your going to tell me it wasn't his fault man, the system forced him to do it.

There are a lot of people out there to feel pity for, this isn't one of those people.

I dunno why the fuck you seem to think that prison reforms criminals. In an ideal world, perhaps, but the prison systems in the U.S. aren't even close to that. There are reasons why around 25% of the world's prisoners are in U.S. prisons, you might find it interesting to read about.

Either way, he's an ex-con, the system is always going to be against him. Finding a respectable job and consequently making a decent life for yourself is incredibly difficult with that following you around. My dad is an ex-con, the best job he's ever been able to get is occasionally repairing organs for the LDS Church. I think the guy realizes this and that's why he takes some relish when describing situations which would allow him to overcome it. Leaving the country is one way to do it, his record isn't going to follow and thus he has the chance to lead a normal life. This may be in violation of his parole, but there is no intrinsic wrongdoing, so holding that against him on the grounds of "Lookie he didn't reform!" is idiotic. Is it really so abnormal to want to leave a place where you know you're more or less fucked forever?

In regards to his vivid description of robbing an atm machine, I think there are two elements at work here. The first is the same reason he fantasizes about leaving the country. It's another way for him to possibly get out of his current situation. The second is something probably more common to a lot of people. A few friends and I (and I'm sure some others on this board) went through a kleptomaniac stage of sorts during our teenage years. We found ourselves planning different ways to steal things and routes (of different department stores and such) to optimize the amount of merchandise we acquired while lowering our chances of getting caught. Eventually we got over it, but I still find myself thinking about this whenever I'm in a department store. I'm aware that this is somewhat of an infantilizing comparison as armed robbery is worlds apart from petty theft, but I'm sure that, for a very long time, the planning part is just something that'll go through his head whenever he's exposed to those situations.

I don't think he would easily go back to armed robbery. It's just a passing daydream. Perhaps you missed all of the parts where he dreads even the idea of going back or when he expresses shame and self hatred for wasting his life like he did? That said, I don't think too many people are 'feeling sorry for him.' He committed a crime, he served time for it, and now he's on parole. He's got a lot of options for him for an ex-con though and he seems intelligent enough, I'm sure he'll work something out.

[Stee]

We should just send him back to jail now, since he obviously doesn't deserve this second chance. I mean, it's not like he served his sentence or anything.

Do you understand what a second chance is?

[Elcura]

Do you understand what a second chance is?

Question is, do you?

[Stee]

According to Seph he himself has said he has not reformed.

Reformed -
improved or corrected, as in behavior or morals, or made better by the removal of errors, abuses, etc.

I don't give a shit that hes out of prison now.

But I sure as hell don't feel pity for a guy who right now still thinks holding people at gunpoint for money is a great idea.

[Elcura]

But I sure as hell don't feel pity for a guy who right now still thinks holding people at gunpoint for money is a great idea.

And he still doesn't get it. Fantastic.

[Kohan]

And he still doesn't get it. Fantastic.

I personally find their continued failure to understand very amusing.

[Khamsin]

Is this the same prison fortune 500 CEO tax evaders go to? Or would that story be different? You always hear how plush prison is, but guess not.

[Mojo]

According to Seph he himself has said he has not reformed.

Reformed -
improved or corrected, as in behavior or morals, or made better by the removal of errors, abuses, etc.

I don't give a shit that hes out of prison now.

But I sure as hell don't feel pity for a guy who right now still thinks holding people at gunpoint for money is a great idea.

You're a biased retard if you really believe indulging on that thought amounts to him thinking that "holding people at gunpoint for money is great idea."

And again, prison doesn't reform anybody. You have completely escaped reality if you expect this from anyone fresh out of prison. Any kind of reform is going to come from the decisions he makes when he's released. The attitudes he carries are perfectly reasonable given the situations he's in.

[Cantih]

I personally find their continued failure to understand very amusing.

It gets even more funny. He's condemning someone for having a bad thought at a weak moment. Now, go look at who he has on his BG friend list.

[SephYuyX]

I think were taking the word reformed here a bit to seriously.

-Would he do it again? 50/50
-Does he think about wanting to do it again? Yes.
-Does that make him a bad person? No.
-Does he know the full consequences if he were to do it again? Yes.
-Does he care? 50/50

He is both reformed, and not reformed. He is reformed in the sense that he knows exactlly what will happen to him if he tries to do it again, but he's able to weigh the consequences now, and it seems he really doesnt care if he goes back or not.

Like I said, it's the whole prison mentality, you cant escape it, there is no 100% being reformed. He wants to start over, but at the same time, hes ok with going back. If he didnt have the parents he does, hed be worse off.

[Drex]

love him or hate him, that's a hell of a story

for anyone who might have gotten confused like i did a few times:

sister = girlfriend
pedophile group = band (contrapedophile group = contraband, apedophile groupon = abandon, etc.)
homie = fag

I wouldn't call him reformed so much as informed. He's probably a hell of a lot more informed about every decision he makes now than any would-be first-timer. I would also never call him a good person, but I certainly wouldn't frame him as less than a person either.

[miokomioko]

ITT: people who have never read/watched anything about life in prison before

[richardd]

ITT: people who have never read/watched anything about life in prison before

im not afraid to admit that i fall in that category

until i was reading this at least.


but good god. this sounds horrid. he maintained his sanity better than i probably could have lol. i liked the ideas he came up with to make his time go by, like making "home made deadlifts" lol.

damn man, i've got brothers and sisters who were in jail for months. i dont even want to imagine what they had to go through either. ugh

[guartz]

It was like reading some parallel universe Bukowski.

[RKenshin]

Impressive read and perspective given the topic, pretty unique depiction.

Some of the responses to this though... People really expect him to achieve some level of reform given the setting? While yeah, I'm sure some points are over-exaggerated (he even admits he probably over exaggerates some aspects), it's no secret some of the shit that happens in these prisons can make people more f'd up than they were in the first place.

[Mojo]

Does anybody else see the correlation between RK's two year forum disappearance and the OP's two year incarceration?

[richardd]

ruke did 2 years time for murdering bunnies who were just trying to live a decent life, all for the glorification of his gorget testings