Archer

[miokomioko]

So anyhow, a quick little similar test:

Lv.1 Corroded Coblyns (frontal attack only)
Light Shot
Crab Bow + Cobalt Arrow

DEX: 223
High: 757
Avg: ~704.4
Low: 652

DEX: 252
High: 802
Avg: ~751.9
Low: 711

Pretty solid all-around +50 damage from 29 DEX.

And an admittedly small sample on Puncture II damage on the same mobs in the same fashion:

DEX: 223
High: 1939
Avg: ~1762.2
Low: 1662

DEX: 252
High: 2038
Avg: ~1847.8
Low: 1743

So far, almost a +100 damage on average...

[Charismatic]

Wow, would have been nice if they told us this instead of letting us figure it out but very good to know that DEX appears to play a role in ARC damage.

[TacoTaru]

Interesting. I wonder how ATK Power fairs versus DEX or if it will be like STR where ATK Power is always going to pull ahead. In lieu of the DEX info, does that mean a Crab Bow would serve better with DEX augments vs. Crit Augments, or is Crit still the augment to bump? Also seems like a better line up of gear would be this instead.

Bow: Ifrit’s → Crab+3 → +2 → +1 → NQ
Bow Materia: Savage Might III/IV (Dexterity?)
Arrow: Cobalt
Head: Silver Tricorne → Woolen Turban (Purple) → Helm of the Lone Knight → Sipahi Turban
Head Materia: Manaflight
Neck: Dated Mythril Choker
Body: Raptorskin Harness (Blue) → Eternal Shade
Body Materia: Savage Might III/IV
Waist: Penance
Hands: Fingerless Raptorskin Gloves (White) → Felt Bracers (Blue)→ Sipahi Gloves → Mercenary’s Mitts
Hands Materia: Heaven’s Fist III/IV
Legs: Mercenary’s Slops → Raptorskin Subligar (Black)
Legs Materia: Swordsman’s Cry III/IV
Feet: Colbalt Plated Caligae (Green) → Mythril Plated Caligae (Brown) → Sipahi/Mercenary’s/Bladedancer’s
Feet Materia: Bloodthirst III/IV
Wrists: N/A
Rings: Dated Amethyst Ring x2

[Kaiyoko]

Interesting. I wonder how ATK Power fairs versus DEX or if it will be like STR where ATK Power is always going to pull ahead. In lieu of the DEX info, does that mean a Crab Bow would serve better with DEX augments vs. Crit Augments, or is Crit still the augment to bump? Also seems like a better line up of gear would be this instead.

Bow: Ifrit’s → Crab+3 → +2 → +1 → NQ
Bow Materia: Savage Might III/IV (Dexterity?)
Arrow: Cobalt
Head: Silver Tricorne → Woolen Turban (Purple) → Helm of the Lone Knight → Sipahi Turban
Head Materia: Manaflight
Neck: Dated Mythril Choker
Body: Raptorskin Harness (Blue) → Eternal Shade
Body Materia: Savage Might III/IV
Waist: Penance
Hands: Fingerless Raptorskin Gloves (White) → Felt Bracers (Blue)→ Sipahi Gloves → Mercenary’s Mitts
Hands Materia: Heaven’s Fist III/IV
Legs: Mercenary’s Slops → Raptorskin Subligar (Black)
Legs Materia: Swordsman’s Cry III/IV
Feet: Colbalt Plated Caligae (Green) → Mythril Plated Caligae (Brown) → Sipahi/Mercenary’s/Bladedancer’s
Feet Materia: Bloodthirst III/IV
Wrists: N/A
Rings: Dated Amethyst Ring x2

http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8030623/rainmakers-tunic for body? Would think it would be better.

Edit: Or is this assuming DEX is better now?

Edit2: Nvm I need to read

[Carraway]

STR is valued vs. ATK at 2:3, point-for-point, so I would assume the same goes for DEX for archers.

[Spider-Dan]

lancaster, are you saying that (for other DoW) +ATK is less effective than +STR, point-for-point? I seem to remember it being the opposite, which was the whole premise behind equipping chokers (for melee).

[miokomioko]

I am definitely hearing a lot of contradicting remarks when it comes to melee (LNC/MRD) and the effects of STR vs Attack. Unfortunately, I only tested it on Archer... which doesn't seem to have much of an effect to be noted without some massive sample sizes.

[Corrderio]

So would you say the DEX bonus from the Blue Raptorskin harness is better than the Attack Power from the Rainmaker Tunic?

[Carraway]

Before 1.19 and the stat overhaul, STR was far less valuable than ATK. That has now changed. The 2:3 ballpark valuation is based off materia stat distributions as well as observations from Ifrit fights and parse results from controlled tests performed on L50 Amalj'aa Drubbers by one of our LNCs (~300 autoattacks per test, control vs. +31 ATK vs. +31 STR).

[Kaiyoko]

Did some test on ARC w/ Sipahi Gloves.....

w/o gloves-

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...houtgloves.png

w/ gloves-

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...withgloves.png

Formula seems broke because the natural crit hit for archer was going between 24~26% and then w/ gloves it went down to 14%~16%. More tests should probably be done w/ larger sample size, but seems as though +15 crit rate forces your crit hit to become 15%......

[Lokus]

Gonna add to this since I was bored and decided to test it as well. Performed 3 tests; a naked test, one geared towards STR and the other towards DEX. All of them with Ifrit's Bow/Cobalt Arrows and all against lvl 50 Zahar'ak Drubbers. Results were similar to Mio's surprisingly though not by the large margin as with the coblyns he used.

CTRL:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../CTRLStats.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...erDrubbers.jpg

STR:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...i/STRStats.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...erDrubbers.jpg

DEX:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...i/DEXStats.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...herDrubber.jpg

I forgot to test Heavy Shot with the CTRL setup but I assume the results would be similar to Light Shot. I didn't buff a single weapon skill and just let loose. Foeseeker parse is negated since not all of them were used with fully nocked arrows cause I suck and forgot. ;o

I also did a rough run on Ifrit to test both and DEX did give me slightly more damage (18-19 dmg Light Shots as opposed to 14-15 with STR). Animation Lock and all that jazz isn't a problem if you play smart and you can pretty much spam whatever you want. I wasn't able to properly test STR since our healer d/c'ed and I became a barcher (gogo assload of MP) but regardless, WS damage is pretty sad in comparison to the other melee.

Edit: I'll try and do another test later with a balance of both STR and DEX just to see how it stacks up. Also thanks to Tachi, parser made this shit so much easier to test.

[OWS_Tonx]

After reading I did a couple tests of my own and can see a significant damage difference in light shots alone (about 40dmg/shot more compared to str). For materia, is it still better to stack atk or should I be trying to redo materia to beef up more dex in the areas that I can? Mostly looking at hands, I'm rocking the white raptor fingerless with heavens fist4 but unsure if I should do dex instead.

[Chakra]

After reading I did a couple tests of my own and can see a significant damage difference in light shots alone (about 40dmg/shot more compared to str). For materia, is it still better to stack atk or should I be trying to redo materia to beef up more dex in the areas that I can? Mostly looking at hands, I'm rocking the white raptor fingerless with heavens fist4 but unsure if I should do dex instead.

This entirely depends on what you're fighting. Taking a page from STR and Attack, if you are going against a foe like Ifrit, stacking just Attack isn't going to penetrate whatever attribute check pinning up against your DEX.

Ideally, you'd want high amounts of STR (or DEX for ARC) to increase your damage output for those types of mobs. If you are able to apply two attribute materia and a heavens fist on a glove... you're pretty much set.

[OWS_Tonx]

Probably going to try DEX and ATK on them. I've had terrible luck with it though, I think I've broke the gloves throwing 2 attack materia on them like 10times lol.

[vana]

Gonna add to this since I was bored and decided to test it as well. Performed 3 tests; a naked test, one geared towards STR and the other towards DEX. All of them with Ifrit's Bow/Cobalt Arrows and all against lvl 50 Zahar'ak Drubbers. Results were similar to Mio's surprisingly though not by the large margin as with the coblyns he used.

I ran tests with single-arrow Foeseeker as well, as a follow up to the Light Shot tests I did earlier. Same setup as the original ones (that I lazily posted to lodestone), so vs l1 marmots with a +20 dex difference over the control.

Control: 1715 high, 1467 low, 1581.15 avg
+20 Dex: 1748 high, 1533 low, 1613.35 avg

I was doing these by hand like an idiot because I didn't notice the parsers available yet. Future testing will be substantially easier, I'm sure. That said, I don't have the resources to check ATK vs DEX but I'd go out on a limb and guess arc's dex scaling is identical to everybody elses str scaling.

[Carraway]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t....18-and-Beyond

Updated for 1.20

[TacoTaru]

Wife got a Savage Might III tonight and we're wondering whether Piety is the better body materia or SM. Kaeko said he was a little underwhelmed with Magic Crit.Atk, but I didn't know if the consensus was the same for Physical Crit.Atk. She's also a tad poor so she could use this to turn her money situation around if the Piety/SM3 isn't going to vary much.

[Seravi Edalborez]

(I could be off but) Since the level difference is what kind of craps all over Mcrit being good on endgame/high level stuff, I'd say the same applies for PhyCrit too. It'll get higher damage spikes by some small amount but I'd say that the raw stat (PIE) would be better for overall damage.

Capitalize on the fools who don't know any better!

[Dakin]

(I could be off but) Since the level difference is what kind of craps all over Mcrit being good on endgame/high level stuff, I'd say the same applies for PhyCrit too. It'll get higher damage spikes by some small amount but I'd say that the raw stat (PIE) would be better for overall damage.

Capitalize on the fools who don't know any better!

Agreed. Afaik, raw stats are more important than attk/crit/etc, bar maybe Magic Acc. seems to directly influence resist rate for nukes. Plus, the profit from selling the Savage Might could be put toward other things.

[Kaeko]

Dev post said something regarding Critical rate and +% boost being related to dLVL and special modifiers (materia, certain items). I would wait to hear what some of the melee heavy testers have to say but I think she should sell it. Worst case buy it back in a week for half the price.