Archer

**TacoTaru** · 2012-01-04 14:15

Question concerning belts: If you can't get the Ul'dah belt, is the next best thing to get a 41+ belt equip some Enmity- materia to it? My wife was about to go this route the other day before I stopped her and said I'd ask, because I really don't know how good Enmity+/- is in this game.

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2012-01-04 14:40

I'd say it doesn't hurt. This is an assumption concerning enmity, could be flawed:

Previous testing said that, for example, damage = enmity at a 1:1 ratio. So if Light Shot does say 100 damage and you have an enmity-5 belt, we'll say each LS instead does 95 enmity. Not a big reduction, but we can assume it adds up over a long fight if this is how it works.

**Kaeko** · 2012-01-04 14:42

Originally Posted by Seravi Edalborez

I'd say it doesn't hurt. This is an assumption concerning enmity, could be flawed:

Previous testing said that, for example, damage = enmity at a 1:1 ratio. So if Light Shot does say 100 damage and you have an enmity-5 belt, we'll say each LS instead does 95 enmity. Not a big reduction, but we can assume it adds up over a long fight if this is how it works.

Can you link me the previous testing that said it was a 1:1 ratio?

EDIT: I mean that -5 enmity is straight "-5 damage"

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2012-01-04 15:00

Oh, no that's a big assumption on my part on gear's -enmity. I meant that just damage was at a 1:1 ratio.

Mostly just thought that on materia/gear enmity because it would have to be -x on a per-action basis, and the indication of small numbers hints at small, per-action effects.

**Corrderio** · 2012-01-04 17:53

Originally Posted by TacoTaru

Question concerning belts: If you can't get the Ul'dah belt, is the next best thing to get a 41+ belt equip some Enmity- materia to it? My wife was about to go this route the other day before I stopped her and said I'd ask, because I really don't know how good Enmity+/- is in this game.

For ARC I'd say go with the Velveteen Longsash since it has 2 DEX. Or if you want something higher level a Peisteskin Hunting Belt for the HP.

**Raldo** · 2012-01-04 18:02

If you go the longsash route, there's actually a quest that rewards that. (Tarred Velveteen Longsash)

Also, it's +2 Acc +1 DEX, not +2 DEX, unless I'm looking at the wrong item.

**TacoTaru** · 2012-01-04 18:09

She has a longsash now that she's had forever, but I didn't know if the Enmity- would outweigh the +1DEX/+2ACC.

**Reveria** · 2012-01-04 19:07

I'd argue that enmity +/- is fairly potent, though the disclaimer being I haven't done real testing. But when I added a +9 to my belt and put on Sentinel Gauntlets on my Gladiator, I stopped having hate/threat/enmity issues in one fell swoop against Ifrit. The problem here of course is that the enm- materia is a lot less strong than the enm+ materia (for whatever reason), so I don't know if it's actually worth it by comparison. I'm personally planning on getting the Flame Sergeant sash myself, holding myself over with the Velveteen one for the time being. ARC already does pretty outstanding damage at the moment that I don't really know how much the comparatively weaker enm- materia will impact an ARC's threat problems. Perhaps we can use her as a guinea pig in the matter sometime

**Corrderio** · 2012-01-04 21:33

Originally Posted by Raldo

If you go the longsash route, there's actually a quest that rewards that. (Tarred Velveteen Longsash)

Also, it's +2 Acc +1 DEX, not +2 DEX, unless I'm looking at the wrong item.

You're right, it is +2 ACC/+1 DEX, my bad.

I never really had an issue with hate on ARC. Usually when I get hate I just use Chameleon and make sure to use that over enmity move when I use WSs.

**miokomioko** · 2012-01-04 21:55

Yeah, unless you're 20+ minutes into fighting the same mob, Chameleon will generally bring your hate down by 1 color's worth. More than enough.

**Nullibicity** · 2012-01-04 22:19

Which is better to use Raptorskin Harness or Rainmakers Tunic? I know dex is better but does the str & atk win over the dex on harness?

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2012-01-04 22:22

Originally Posted by Nullibicity

Which is better to use Raptorskin Harness or Rainmakers Tunic? I know dex is better but does the str & atk win over the dex on harness?

Correct. STR does very little for ARC.

**Reveria** · 2012-01-04 23:26

Originally Posted by Seravi Edalborez

Correct. STR does very little for ARC.

Seconding this. The DEX on the harness will give you more than the piddly attack+ on the tunic, and STR does little to nothing useful.

EDIT: Also, dunno why I forgot about Chameleon, as it's half the reason I leveled ARC. Just use the sash she's got, as the only other sensible option would be HP

**Asai** · 2012-01-05 03:17

Rainmaker's parses higher for me vs. lv 50 drubbers. Have one of each with a sag. might +44 in them. avg dmg, crit max and hit max all went down with harness.

EDIT: Mind you, they didn't go down very much.. about 10 on crit, 5 on hit and 2 on average dmg.

**tachikoma** · 2012-01-05 10:43

Not surprised at all with rain makers results dex is only slightly better then str and the atk power gives it the slight edge but that is only for equal lvl mobs dex should win on tougher mobs

**Spider-Dan** · 2012-01-05 11:41

I vaguely remember reading that even though DEX is +DMG for ARC, +STR still increases ATK in the same way it does for other melee.

If that's the case, then Raptorskin vs. Rainmaker's is effectively 6 DEX vs. 10 ATK.

**Raldo** · 2012-01-05 12:08

You are probably referring to this (Patch 1.20 notes, search for: Parameters and Their Effects).

It is known that STR does not increase the 'attack' stat (or if it does, it's not displayed in the window), whether it plays some minute part in all physical damage calculations is unknown.

**Spider-Dan** · 2012-01-05 12:57

ATK increases from STR are not shown, no. And that's not what I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is a test that showed that ARC does receive a damage increase from +STR, albeit less than +DEX. As I recall, this increase was approximately equal to the relationship between +ATK and +DEX on ARC damage.

**tachikoma** · 2012-01-05 15:29

Str is slightly less effective then dex not enough testing to really pin point the numbers yet

**Teron** · 2012-01-05 18:13

What do you guys think of Bowman's Tunic?

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