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[Headspace]

I'm down for money I suppose

[Stiker]

Jesus...reading the rule arguments was retarded. Tyche, count me in for the money league.

[Demosthenes11]

I think my gf would kill me if I joined another money league, but maybe I'll sub in if someone backs down in a few weeks

[volcanicweather]

I'll join the money league as well tyche, why not

[Stiker]

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Sorry I'm late to the party in regards to my scoring system, but here's an explanation as there's more logic to it than Tyche is giving it.

Here's the entire scoring system:

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First off, Aki, I didn't just mash numbers in... I calculated the average number of yards per each position and that's how I got my numbers. I used to work in market research so I'm pretty well-versed in statistical analysis.

Passing:The point of the passing scoring system is to reward the good quarterbacks and punish the bad ones. How many offense in the NFL are successful with a crappy QB? Not many. It should be the same in fantasy. If your completion % is high your team -usually- will put up some points (there are some exceptions). Also the INT penalty is fairly steep so it helps to penalize some accurate guys who make big mistakes... turnovers kill teams in real life and they should in fantasy as well. People have scored 50+ points with their QBs before, other more than -10. Jamarcus average -3 ppg last year.

Rushing:To what others have alluded to, running for 2 yards per carry isn't helping your team and you shouldn't be given a bonus for it... so for anything under 2ypc you lose points and anything over you gain points. I also scaled the rushing yards by position because WRs especially are known for having a stupidly high ypc thanks to reverses and trick plays.

Receiving:I used to have a yards per catch system but I scraped it in favor of a minuscule ppc system. To add value to TEs they get 1 points for every 3 catches whereas RB/WR gets 1 point for every 4. TEs also get 1 point for every 7 yards gained, WR/RB it's 1 point for every 8.

Kicking:I fucking hate kickers and fantasy and think they are so random, but I've finally figured out a decent way to score them. Essentially the longer the field goal, the more points your kicker receives for kicking it and the less the penalty he has for missing it. If he a kicks a 55 yard FG and makes it., he gets 5.5 points. If he misses, he only loses 0.5 points. On the other hand, if he makes a 25 yard FG, he only gets 2.5 points and if he misses it's -3.5 points. XPs are worthless imo and are only .25 points. Kicking 4 XP shouldn't hold the same value as scoring a passing TD, that's just retarded.

Defense:The average number of offensive points allowed in the NFL per game as of 2009 is around 20. So I give each defense 19 points when they start the game and for each offensive point they allow they lose a point. They can gain points via sacks, turnovers, etc but like QBs it really separates the good defenses from the bad ones and places a high value on having a decent defense, just like in real football.

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Here were the top 10 scorers in my league last year (points per game):

1. Chris Johnson - 30.7 ppg
2. Drew Brees - 23.2
3. Ray Rice - 22.8
4. Adrian Peterson - 22.3
5. MJD - 22.1
6. Aaron Rodgers - 21.8
7. Peyton Manning - 21
8. Frank Gore - 20.9
9. Matt Schaub - 19.9
10. Phillip Rivers - 19.7

A fairly accurate list of the top NFL players last year if you ask me... highest WR is Andre Johnson (17th), TE is Dallas Clark (29) and DEF is NYJ (34).

Holy shit that looks like fun.

[volcanicweather]

Holy shit that looks like fun.

It is fun. I devised the scoring system about 4 years ago and after going through some bumps in the road with it I think I finally have it as close to right as I can get.

[Tyche]

To say it punishes bad qb play is an understatement. My biggest dislike is that the rb ceiling is way too high, and not high enough for qb's. Just a guess, but I bet there are far more 20+ point games for RBs than QBs. It's a lot easier for mediocre RBs to score well than for good QBs to score well.

[volcanicweather]

To say it punishes bad qb play is an understatement. My biggest dislike is that the rb ceiling is way too high, and not high enough for qb's. Just a guess, but I bet there are far more 20+ point games for RBs than QBs. It's a lot easier for mediocre RBs to score well than for good QBs to score well.

RBs definitely have the higher ceiling, but overall QBs are the more consistent performers. In the top 20 ppg scorers from last year there's 9 QBs and 10 RBs so I don't really agree with the argument. I'm not going to cite specific examples because you can cite a specific example to disprove it and it will go on and on, but overall QBs put in more consistent performances around their average whereas most running backs are "boom or bust" and will have a couple huge weeks to carry their average.

If anything I would say this is a more QB friendly league than others. 12 of the top 40 are QBs and there's 15 QBs in the top 60. There's plenty of QBs to go around. Also even though you're only required to start 1 RB, most people start 2 and hoard them hence why it's almost impossible to grab a decent RB from waivers. If you feel that's the case then grab a good QB and a decent back-up in the draft (like that year I drafted Romo and Rivers... remember that? ) and win the league.

[Moss]

Tyr's scoring system was great, but I like adding the .1 for RB per carry just to reward higher carry numbers since it is becoming more rare.

/facepalm

I calculated the average number of yards per each position and that's how I got my numbers. I used to work in market research so I'm pretty well-versed in statistical analysis.

So what is so wrong with the standard scoring in your opinion?

Oh and Tyche/Akiyama, David Garrard had as many points in standard scoring as Andre Johnson with 4 pts/passTD, -2 per INT/FumLost, so your argument on "there only being one QB slot" is moot.

[Gadritan]

Jesus...reading the rule arguments was retarded.

rofl. I was so baked I'm not even sure what I was arguing for now. Some ppl like PPR, some don't. That's all it really was <.<

[Headspace]

I like PPR, so I can draft whatever Denver WRs there are, since Orton can't bomb it.


Not like Grossman could.

[Moss]

The worst part is I stated very early that I wasn't going to argue PPR, since it is defensible. Unfortunately I was sucked in . I'm not even going to look at how many posts we spent arguing about 0 yard catches.

[Tyche]

I'm pretty sure you just reinforced my point about 6 pts per passing td.

[volcanicweather]

/facepalm
So what is so wrong with the standard scoring in your opinion?

lol... where do I even begin?

I sat down and figured out my system after having my KICKER lead my team in scoring in my cousin's fantasy league one year in which I won the league. I had enough.

First one is milestones - they are absurdly stupid. How does a player rushing for 99 yards instead of 100 make absolutely no difference in winning or losing a game in the NFL, yet it can make a huge difference in fantasy? Look at all the other fantasy sports... does LeBron James get bonus points when he scored 30 points in a game? How about when Prince Fielder hits a home run in a game... do they give him another one as a "milestone"? Hell no. I have no idea why Fantasy Football has them other than the people who were playing thought they were a good idea back in the 90's when it was the only mainstream fantasy sport. People need to get with the times.

Second is the 2 RB scoring system. Again it's so dated it's ridiculous and it should be abandoned. Back when most teams used a feature back it was alright, but with so many teams going with 2-3 running backs now in the NFL if someone can get a hold of 2 players who are "the guy" for their team they just dominate leagues if they are average everywhere else. Traditional fantasy scoring all but neglects every other position (minus a star or two at each) and is way too running back focused. QBs matter only somewhat and you might as well throw WRs, TE, K, and DEF out the window except for a few special guys because of the quantity available.

Third is kickers. As I mentioned they score way too many points and it's so random because kicking opportunities are just circumstantial. You can be the best kicker in the world but if he never sees the field because his team sucks then he's worthless. At least offensive and defensive players can make an impact regardless of the situation but with kickers it's a roll of the dice to see if they even get a chance to score points to begin with. If I had it my way I'd get rid of them... in my scoring system they average much less than all other players and I use them as a small random factor to the game.

That's just off the top of my head.

[Tyche]

Also, possibly at 12/12 for the money league.

Tyche
Gadritan
Fistandantilus
Weltall
Serif
Dense
Leroy
Volcanic
Headspace
Stiker
Recuperi
Akiyama (pending)

If I screwed something, let me know.

[Tyche]

Uh, yeah, prince fielder probably does have an incentive laced contract where he makes more money when he hits more HRs. A lot of contracts have milestone deals. Look at TOs new deal.

[Moss]

I'm pretty sure you just reinforced my point about 6 pts per passing td.

Your point was "TDs are worth 6 in RL"

David Garrard was the 19th ranked player in standard scoring, tied with Andre Johnson. He was the 14th ranked QB. If you changed pass TDs from 4>6, the discrepancy would be even larger, unfairly so.

[volcanicweather]

Uh, yeah, prince fielder probably does have an incentive laced contract where he makes more money when he hits more HRs. A lot of contracts have milestone deals. Look at TOs new deal.

My point was from a fantasy perspective... if Fielder gets 3 RBIs in a game it's not like he gets a bonus RBI added to his fantasy point total for the day.

[volcanicweather]

Your point was "TDs are worth 6 in RL"

David Garrard was the 19th ranked player in standard scoring, tied with Andre Johnson. He was the 14th ranked QB. If you changed pass TDs from 4>6, the discrepancy would be even larger, unfairly so.

Agree fully, making passing TDs = all other TDs doesn't make sense. Either you juice down the QB passing yards (i.e. 1 point for every 50) which makes it a dumb TD league or you're having mediocre QBs beating out the top players at 2nd tier positions.

[Tyche]

I'd love to argue this, but I jus have iPhone internet access right now, and I'm not that patient. It all goes back to what I was saying about lineup.