FFXIV Random Speculation/Question thread V: No one told me beta would have problems in it

[Gulkeeva]

I just killed 10 Puks and didn't get a single point of Class XP. At first I thought it was just the bug where it didn't show Xp but you still got it, but after 10 mobs I'm still at 8826, am I missing something?

Your class determines the learning, so if its higher then the mob you get less, its why I was lvling other jobs to semi cheat lvling up physical so when i switch back to pug its a ton easier to level on harder stuff that actually does give decent class skill points.

Like.. my lancer can solo mobs that give 500-700 class points.. and my therm/chanter got pretty much the same per kill... very easily (having 200K HP and a self heal really helps!)


My pug does pretty good soloing now that...
I have defense buff of gladiator
2 heal spells + 2nd wind
attack buff from lancer.. and damage > hp thing from marauder
its just crazy!

[Cayos]

I was also able to get another set of both cederwood and hallow leves after doing them. I think they decreased the time.

[euph]

Was that 48 hour rate dropped some? Cause it hasn't been 48 hours since I took these quests yet I can trade them in now.

am i being wooshed?

[Lucavi]

I've had a workaround for that since the beginning of Beta, but I'll keep it to myself for now until I get some confirmation that it's not NDA-breaking.

[Celeras]

So, level 7 Thaum/level 11 Physical. I go to bloodshore and start a leve.. Swarm something. It's pretty tough and I only complete it because somebody heal-bots me through it out of kindness. I'm sick of the starter camp, so I stand around the bloodshore aetheryte and kill some sewer moles, they con Green (Decent Challenge). Reasonable encounters, I have to heal maybe 3-4 times to get through it but nothing hairy. 1010XP(cap?) and 120-250 Thaum skill.

Switch to Lancer on random, in the same location. The same moles are now yellow or red(i've never seen anything orange ever). I have the same HP/everything because that's designated by physical level. I assign my Thaum heal(heals for half as much on Lancer and I assume loses AoE) and attack the same moles. End up killing them faster, only having to heal maybe once per battle. 1010XP, 300-500 Lancer skill.

Do you think this is their intention, to make class leveling like easymode skill-ups in FFXI? It would seem that right now, class level is entirely useless outside of learning abilities. How hard I hit for, how accurate I am, and how much HP i have etc is all determined via Physical level. And while enemies seem to con according to your class level(or at least its a factor), physical level would appear to be much more important.

Asking due to the fact that, once you're max physical level... you're likely going to have several classes still at 1. At which point, a simple switch to fight the same enemies you have been at 30 would speedily catch up the classes. Like going to Light Elementals(or wherever fgts skillup nowadays, sorry if thats a retro reference ;p) in FFXI with a level 1 spear, except not having to deal with misses.

Thoughts? Does this change later? I'm not really one to grind up in a beta, so maybe someone farther progressed could comment.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

Got to 14 Thaumaturge, got Dark Seal. Increases the accuracy of your next spell. Sounds like a good help right? WRONG. I still can't reliably land a spell on a Blue Conned mob with it.

Did some leves today, got enough money to buy the level 25 Thaumaturge Staff. Can I land spells more than 20% of the time now? Hell no!

If there's anything they fix, it needs to be magic, durability, and skill points first. XD

I put down conjurer because of the weaksauce that is mages right now. I picked up lancer and got to rank 10 in like an hour. Got to rank 14 in another hour. The whole time I was getting 200-500 skill points and no down time at all with shock spikes/speed surge, and popping second wind/bloodbath maybe once or twice the whole time. My CON got 50-200 skill points per fight, which took 2-3x longer since I can't spam spells unless I run back to a node after 2-5 battles. It's just totally unbalanced now and I'll spend my time else where.

[Falcon]

No its not.

Early on, you don't notice it because Physical does have a decent effect early on, but damnit I hit a lot harder on Syriphid Swarms as a 17 lancer than I ever did as a 14. And I'm sure the 3 STR points does not make a 15 point difference.

[Falcon]

I put down conjurer because of the weaksauce that is mages right now. I picked up lancer and got to rank 10 in like an hour. Got to rank 14 in another hour. The whole time I was getting 200-500 skill points and no down time at all with shock spikes/speed surge, and popping second wind/bloodbath maybe once or twice the whole time. My CON got 50-200 skill points per fight, which took 2-3x longer since I can't spam spells unless I run back to a node after 2-5 battles. It's just totally unbalanced now and I'll spend my time else where.

Only time I touch conjurer is when I do leves with others.

Curespam really gives a lot of skillups.

Considering I never get skillups during leves, its no loss to me.

[ayjis]

@others about leve time decrease, it appears so. I completed bloodshore leves today at about 2am, and they were available for me again when I checked the npc at 3-4pm.

Shortened by a lot it seems?

[qpoiuwer]

@others about leve time decrease, it appears so. I completed bloodshore leves today at about 2am, and they were available for me again when I checked the npc at 3-4pm.

Shortened by a lot it seems?

Probably resets at midnight JST every 2 days.

[Celeras]

No its not.

Early on, you don't notice it because Physical does have a decent effect early on, but damnit I hit a lot harder on Syriphid Swarms as a 17 lancer than I ever did as a 14. And I'm sure the 3 STR points does not make a 15 point difference.

It's not so much the strength-progression factor that concerns me, but rather the fact that enemies that are 10+ levels above your class level are easily handled if your physical level is high enough. Leading to easy rankups and overall confusion since you're staring at a 'red' you can handle easily. Not to mention, limited reasons why you would ever have to venture back to a starter area.

[Falcon]

Again, only early on when monsters are relatively weak and don't evolve much.

There isn't much difference from a Wharf Rat's 13 dmg, a Plain Rat's 20 damage, and a Puks 25.

Theres a lot of difference between a Swarm's 30, a Roseling's 45, and a Billygoat's 70.

[Jaxzer]

I just killed 10 Puks and didn't get a single point of Class XP. At first I thought it was just the bug where it didn't show Xp but you still got it, but after 10 mobs I'm still at 8826, am I missing something?

It's a shitty bug that hopefully gets fixed tonight.

[Kurokikaze]

It's a shitty bug that hopefully gets fixed tonight.

Amen to that. I'm just chipping away at my TNL and logging in and out every 10 minutes... Still getting bug even with a brand new weapon. -_-;

Its really strange watching my damage shoot from 70 to 95ish after logging in then slowly work its way back down.

[SephYuyX]

There is a bug/(anti-grind measure?) where you stay on long enough or in one place long enough and you get less and less skill points and eventually you stop getting any at all even though it says you gain weapon proficiency.

Sometimes switching weapons fixes it but the most reliable way is to relog which is a pain since it can happen pretty quickly.

Friend just grinded in a cave killing the same mobs for about 2hrs. No difference in XP at all (aside from a little since he gained like 7 levels).

[Gulkeeva]

yeah its gotta be a bug, I grind for many.. many hours!

I'm getting 500-700 class skill atm on lancer on blue con mobs 9and 1000 exp)... also.. victamize + lancer = wheeling thrust haha

[viperlasson]

Is this at cassiopeia hollow? I heard good things about this place. Haven't been there yet, trying to get smithing up to repair my weapons on the field...

[mintyice]

parts of it are good if you know where to look

[SilverBreeze]

As hard as it is to land, (Right now with 56 Piety, 15/18 Thaumaturge, can't land spells on anything. Killed 20 Puks earlier with nothing but Phantom Dart and Spikes) when Slow lands on a mob it's crazy strong. Even with my slow ass killing speed when I land a slow on a mob it attacks maybe once every 10-15 seconds, which is an eternity. The difference between slow and no slow is having to use 1 heal and having to use 5-6 to kill a mob.

[arus2001]

Haven't really followed things much the past few weeks since not getting a beta invite kinda bummed me out, but has anything changed much aside from going 24h on the server uptime?