FFXIV Random Speculation/Question thread V: No one told me beta would have problems in it

[Achitophel]

Yeah, surprisingly you can do about anything. Lasts maybe 15-20 seconds? I initially thought it would be 'just guard for that turn' making it useless in all but specific scenarios, but no. It just means 'put your shield up for awhile and do other things in the meantime too'. Very useful, actually, especially teamed with Phalanx, which seems to hit harder than normal strikes (now, anyway) while costing half the stamina.

[Zubis]

My pugilist is only 16, but from my experience, Featherfoot really doesn't do anything. It's nothing remotely close to 100% evasion and it wears off naturally (30 seconds?) more often than I actually see an evaded attack.

You'll get more evasion buffs pretty soon. Presence of Mind for example.

[mundie]

My pugilist is only 16, but from my experience, Featherfoot really doesn't do anything. It's nothing remotely close to 100% evasion and it wears off naturally (30 seconds?) more often than I actually see an evaded attack.

What a let-down, I was hoping it could be used as a high-chance one-shot utsusemi.

[Kurp]

Some anima regen times:

68 7:42 am 7/29
71 7:45 am 7/30
73 11:19 pm 7/30
73 12:39 am 7/31
74 4:52 am 7/31
76 8:05 pm 7/31
76 10:18 pm 7/31
77 3:13 am 8/1
77 7:35 am 8/2
77 8:08 am 8/2

I haven't used a paid teleport or return since I started recording.

[Achitophel]

You'll get more evasion buffs pretty soon. Presence of Mind for example.

That's interesting. I'd like to say* "Oh, well I bet PUGs won't be evading HMNs" but the truth is that the damage mitigation from guard seems to drop quite a bit wyhen you deal with monsters that are T to you (or whatever), as well. Not that levels before 30 (to say nothing of 10) dictate much about jobs anyway.

*I was MNK/NIN/WHM in 11 (in that order) and arbitrarily decided I would start as a tank this game, so I'm kinda partial to GLAD ending up as the best tank. Oh well, we'll see.

[Lithiani]

I think it's a bit premature to start in on the "this is good vs. HNMs" already

[Achitophel]

I think it's a bit premature to start in on the "this is good vs. HNMs" already

Oh yeah, of course you're right. I was just trying to say that a job evasion tanking something you're soloing doesn't mean it's a better tank than something else; evading DCs isn't what makes for a better tank.

[Loaar]

I think what Gulk was talking about was Parry, not evasion.

PUG (and Mara AFAIK), have a decent parry rate, and you can parry ANY attack, even TP moves.

Glad on the other hand, can only block normal abilities I believe, so they take full damage from TP moves.

Feel free to correct me if thats not correct.

[Kurp]

I do parry a lot of attack on my pugilist. The damage reduction on parries does seem very significant.

[Hyan]

Oh yeah, that's what Gulk was talking about. Parry.

MAR's get that boost to parry when standing still, and iirc a lot of tanking skills too.

The only class I don't think will end up tanking is LNC so far, but maybe I'm just forgetting something.

[Achitophel]

I think what Gulk was talking about was Parry, not evasion.

PUG (and Mara AFAIK), have a decent parry rate, and you can parry ANY attack, even TP moves.

Glad on the other hand, can only block normal abilities I believe, so they take full damage from TP moves.

Feel free to correct me if thats not correct.

In my experience, I believe you're right. Hmmm.

[Kurp]

Do gladiators suffer the same randomness as pugilists when it comes to tanking? I'm not thinking about random field mobs. Shit rolls are going to get a pugilist fucked up. Especially if they decide to limit gear based on jobs. As of now we can equip whatever we want, but I don't see that happening in the retail version.

[Hyan]

Do gladiators suffer the same randomness as pugilists when it comes to tanking? I'm not thinking about random field mobs. Shit rolls are going to get a pugilist fucked up. Especially if they decide to limit gear based on jobs. As of now we can equip whatever we want, but I don't see that happening in the retail version.

That kinda depends what SE wants to do with the encounters in this game.

If the encounter's difficulty is based more on the number of monsters instead of the strength of them, I don't think PUG is going to go down even if the RNG does not favor him for twice in a row.

Of course, it is only speculation.

[Insanecyclone]

Are they ever going to open the other zones for testing? 2 months from release and not testing out the others yet seems like a terrible idea.

[Hyan]

Are they ever going to open the other zones for testing? 2 months from release and not testing out the others yet seems like a terrible idea.

I'm guessing they'll open up northern la noscea at some point. We have already downloaded that area along with the rest of the client, would be waste not to use that to their advantage.

The rest of the game is handled by the in-house team, as always. So we won't get spoiled etc.

Imagine it like if they released an expansion pack. I think it's the same thing here.

[mundie]

If anybody wants to do some serious comparisons of the current state of things:

I've written a python script that parses the log and keeps track of damage done and damage taken (only these at the moment, works for pt members too).

Could eliminate the variables and smack things around for a while and see how it adds up. PUG vs. GLAD for instance.

I have no idea if it's a breach of the tester agreement, although I guess the logs are property of SE.

[Lithiani]

That kinda depends what SE wants to do with the encounters in this game.

If the encounter's difficulty is based more on the number of monsters instead of the strength of them, I don't think PUG is going to go down even if the RNG does not favor him for twice in a row.

Of course, it is only speculation.

I'm getting the feeling that S-E really disfavour the "only the tank EVER takes damage" idea, in the same way they look to be disfavouring the dedicated healer concept.

I think they are edging away from the "Holy Trinity" of Tank, DPS and Healer, towards a balanced combat system.

Remains to be seen if it'll work.

[Celeras]

Just now realized that the reason my Thaum fails so many damn spells is due to the range. Even at less than max casting range on a stationary target, 'Your _____ fails' repeatedly. Now that I stand on top of shit, havent seen a fail yet... though some 'resists' message for less damage.

So many wasted points in Piety!

[mundie]

Just now realized that the reason my Thaum fails so many damn spells is due to the range. Even at less than max casting range on a stationary target, 'Your _____ fails' repeatedly. Now that I stand on top of shit, havent seen a fail yet... though some 'resists' message for less damage.

So many wasted points in Piety!

Oh dear. I was quite miffed to find out how short the range of elemental spells on CON vs. the plain attack was. Sounds like thaum is the same. I suppose it's subject to change pending feedback though.

[Hyan]

Aren't Thaum's spells frontal cone?

Like this
http://www.ff14news.com/wp-content/g...aumaturge3.jpg