Goverment investigating for profit college

[Skyylya]

Since i work for a 'for profit' college this is something i heard about today.

Some of the bigger name colleges like University of Phoenix and Everest are a couple of the 15 colleges that were found guilty.

For the record my college was not among them.

Article from CNN is here although i'm sure there is a better article somewhere.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/...iref=allsearch

[Clauz]

At a small beauty college, the undercover applicant was told that barbers can earn $150,000-$200,000 per year.

Fuck school, I'm gonna be a barber.

[Kayos]

I have heard this. Yet why would you go to a for-profit school for an undergrad degree? The graduation rate is like 12% for undergrads at UoP if I remember correctly. I have about a week left in my Masters program at an online school. Sure there are plenty of idiots in the class, but most are pretty competent. Not sure how I would be able to handle a class full of people taking Accounting 101 though...

[Mojo]

Pretty much a "no shit" in my book. You'd have to be an idiot to believe anyone telling you you're going to make 200k/year as a barber.

[wipers]

I just looked it up. A barber makes 27,000 dollars on average.

[Heavencloud]

The people who thought they could make that much cutting hair should be the people getting investigated srsly.

[Kaisha]

I just looked it up. A barber makes 27,000 dollars on average.

Just need to be a female and do it topless, the tips will easily surpass that.

[Holly Short]

lol, getting into the fbi/cia with an associates

[wipers]

Speaking of topless barber shops. I don't like the fact that people at hair salons expect to get tipped. <Insert Mr. Pink line>

[Ryany]

The Obama administration has proposed rules to limit federal student aid funds to for-profit career colleges that do not prepare students for "gainful employment" in recognized occupations.

It's about time something is done. Cutting aid will kill the chances of fake schools to stay competitive. My opinion is that government money is fueling tuition outpacing inflation.

....now if only government handouts could be more so based on academic performance rather than how "poor" your parents are.

[Kayos]

The people who thought they could make that much cutting hair should be the people getting investigated srsly.

This. Blame corporations for a lot of things, but please blame the idiots who get taken advantage of more.

[Skyylya]

The biggest thing out of all of this is the potential penalties. Could be as simple as enormous fines or a loss of accreditation or the ability to give any title IV funding at all. For these schools and the industry that would be devastating.

For schools like mine, we would have such an influx of students that need somewhere to go.

Personally i'm happy about this. Not all online schools are shady and hurt people and the type of student we cater to isn't necessarily the type of person that frequents this board. Not all people however are capable of even going to the local community college when you factor in everything going on in their lives.

personally i hope they lose the ability to get financial aid. UoP has over 300,000 students give or take last i heard and account for most of the for profit student loans that are given out.

IMO though the government should be investigating the number of students that are 'career students' and simply enroll in college to get a refund check then withdraw. That's a bigger issue if you ask me.

[Kylewhataru]

I would never go to a for profit school. Companies hiring for serious high paying positions typically expect degress from a state university or prestigious for-profits, of which there is only a few in an ocean of garbage.

Schools like UOP just undermine the value of having a degree, basically expensive diploma mills. Why would anyone want to have a degree from UOP? There's better state universities in every state that aren't that hard to get into and much more prestigious. If you live in Texas go to University of Texas, if you live in AZ go to Arizona State University, etc. these schools are more exclusive but not hard to get into if you have a good GPA, and they are much more valued and recognized countrywide and cheaper too.

If you're rocking a 2.5 GPA then yeah you belong at UOP.

[wagon]

I am under the impression that a lot of private colleges/universities such as the ivy league are for profit? Otherwise, why are they charging $45k a year?

UoP is borderline a freaking scam. I saw a FRONTLINE report that the admission office will just do anything to get you sign up for classes since most people borrow from the quasi-government loan agencies to pay for tuition. The earning potential of graduates is completely unfounded at best deceptive at worst.

[Cantih]

I just looked it up. A barber makes 27,000 dollars on average.

More like 23k, if you pull 40 hour weeks, and then ONLY if tips are good. I've seen a hairdressers annual social security benefits letter. Static wage, for forty years (of course, 20k back in 1970 is far different than 20k in 2010).
Oh, and chains like Sams and Supercuts don't give anything like health insurance or any other benefits.

If you aren't a fuckup, it's steady work. (A "growth" industry, as it were.) But unless you swing a ripoff boutique job, you will never be rich, or even moderately well off, doing it.

[Cadsuane]

Barbers/hairdressers earn wages? I don't think I've ever met one that didn't earn commission, but yeah, they're not very good.

School isn't really that complicated. You go to the most exclusive place that'll accept you, and if that school is still kinda shitty, pick up a trade instead.

[Skyylya]

I would never go to a for profit school. Companies hiring for serious high paying positions typically expect degress from a state university or prestigious for-profits, of which there is only a few in an ocean of garbage.

Schools like UOP just undermine the value of having a degree, basically expensive diploma mills. Why would anyone want to have a degree from UOP? There's better state universities in every state that aren't that hard to get into and much more prestigious. If you live in Texas go to University of Texas, if you live in AZ go to Arizona State University, etc. these schools are more exclusive but not hard to get into if you have a good GPA, and they are much more valued and recognized countrywide and cheaper too.

If you're rocking a 2.5 GPA then yeah you belong at UOP.

I mentioned before, people don't go to online schools cause they are prestigious. People go to online schools because they physically "can't" fit going to a campus in their lives and need something.

Our schools main demographic is 20-45 year old single african american female mothers who are working. It is physically impossible for that type of person to go to a state university. GPA, SATs, ACTs are not an option for them and having a degree from an online for profit university is better than a GED.

I went to a private 4 year college in florida not an online school. Even after having worked at one for over a year now i still wouldn't go to one. But I, like the people here, aren't the type of student that needs the online education.

Even most reputable state universities offer online classes.

[Cantih]

Barbers/hairdressers earn wages?

At a chain, minimum wage + "production"
If you work your ass off, and traffic isn't dead, you might make 12/hr.

If you have a brain in your head, you can also try to run as a "business". You rent a station an a non-chain salon, and run from there. But it's even more work and cost in paperwork, and you have no real advertising strength. Person I know who did it, had dozens of regulars who would stay loyal.

[Kylewhataru]

I mentioned before, people don't go to online schools cause they are prestigious. People go to online schools because they physically "can't" fit going to a campus in their lives and need something.

Our schools main demographic is 20-45 year old single african american female mothers who are working. It is physically impossible for that type of person to go to a state university. GPA, SATs, ACTs are not an option for them and having a degree from an online for profit university is better than a GED.

I went to a private 4 year college in florida not an online school. Even after having worked at one for over a year now i still wouldn't go to one. But I, like the people here, aren't the type of student that needs the online education.

Even most reputable state universities offer online classes.

Pretty much every school offers online classes, but not entire degrees based off it. Because there's only so much you can teach in an online class, usually very simple subjects.

Sure, you can take simple classes like English 101 online, no problem. But you're never going to learn complex subjects like engineering, high level physics, differential equations, etc. on an online class, it's impossible, you need a real professor and real equipment from a real university. The funniest thing I've ever seen is online nursing degrees, there's just no way, you need hands on experience, you need to be taught by an actual doctor, you need professional grade lab equipment, etc. you can't just take that shit online.

Those online degrees are diploma mills because of their very nature, the classes are so easy you can take them online. Wouldn't we all like the convenience of that, but if you want a real degree you have to bust your ass off for it, it's not supposed to be convenient, if it was convenient everyone would have one and it wouldn't be a valuable thing.

And there are good small private/for-profit schools out there, like UAT, but they're only good because they operate almost exactly like a state university does, just on a smaller scale.

[Kylewhataru]

As for barbers, I'm pretty sure you can sustain a very profitable business as long as you have the clientele. I've been to places that are always jam packed and you have to sit around for 45 minutes before anyone will see you, but most places are always empty.

But that's how it is for any business.