Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Byrthnoth]

I've been doing Granite Borer on RDM/NIN with a SCH friend. We hit most spells available to our jobs (minus Addle, Blind II, Bio III, Ninjitsu, and we haven't tried Cure yet) and can proc a grellow !! about half the time and it seems to improve our drop rate when we do (eyeballing, it bumps us up one seal on average, from 0-1 to 1-2). Now, based on our job choices we're missing:
1) The Banish spell line
2) Ninjitsu
3) Blue Magic
4) Holy
5) Aspir 2/Drain 2
6) Flash
7) -aga magic
8 ) Higher tier V spells

Have there been reports of Blue Magic and Ninjitsu proccing Grellow !!s? I would guess that either they can or monsters don't pick one of each weakness every time.

[Suljin]

Anyone seen what causes Mielikki to !?

[Suljin]

So we think we got it to stagger and was unable to cast spells after banish 2, but might have been eclipse bite or maybe (less likely due to distance from log) a holy. Tried to check on 2nd fight and nothing happened even after spamming the 3.

[Kilik]

While people have had experiences with Red !! not activating when a mob is using a TP move, has anyone noticed if this is also true for when a mob is casting a spell? Mainly wondering if a Grellow !! can be activated when a mob is casting a spell.

[NynJa]

While people have had experiences with Red !! not activating when a mob is using a TP move, has anyone noticed if this is also true for when a mob is casting a spell? Mainly wondering if a Grellow !! can be activated when a mob is casting a spell.

Actually any weaknesses wont trigger when a mob is readying a TP move. As far as if they'll trigger when its casting, I dont know

[Scrooge]

I've been doing Granite Borer on RDM/NIN with a SCH friend. We hit most spells available to our jobs (minus Addle, Blind II, Bio III, Ninjitsu, and we haven't tried Cure yet) and can proc a grellow !! about half the time and it seems to improve our drop rate when we do (eyeballing, it bumps us up one seal on average, from 0-1 to 1-2). Now, based on our job choices we're missing:
1) The Banish spell line
2) Ninjitsu
3) Blue Magic
4) Holy
5) Aspir 2/Drain 2
6) Flash
7) -aga magic
8 ) Higher tier V spells

Have there been reports of Blue Magic and Ninjitsu proccing Grellow !!s? I would guess that either they can or monsters don't pick one of each weakness every time.

Do you, or anyone, have a partial list of what procs yellow? From what I've seen personally, the following can proc it:

Tier 3 blm nukes
Banish III
Holy

Relatively certain the following has proc'ed before for us, but I can't recall if other spells were going off at the same time:

Tier 4 blm nukes
Dia II
Bio II
Flash
Aspir
Drain
Stun

I'm almost positive some of the above were the trigger, but since I only started keeping mental track of yellows with Scars, I won't say for certain.

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I also remember reading in this topic (near the very early posts iirc) that a dnc step proc'ed yellow, but I'm starting to believe that was just an instance of a step going off as a spell was triggering it. Any confirmation on dnc steps proc'ing?

I've NEVER seen Blue Magic or Ninjutsu proc it, then again I've rarely been in situations where we'd even see it. Never seen -aga's, AM, AM2 or any kind of enfeeble outside of Dia II, Bio II, Stun, and Flash be near a yellow trigger moment.

EDIT: Never seen a song proc yellow either. Nor any tier 1 or 2 blm nuke. Nor Banish or Banish II.

[Johnnyjj]

Avalerion, Seraph Blade Atma of the Winged Enigma

[Jeryhn]

Mictcorse NM in Tahrongi
Wind Threnody, Yellow !!
Windday
Dropped cuffs, abyssite of merit, no nodowa (Our SAM trying to get them is like 0/50+...).

[Massimo]

Mictcorse NM in Tahrongi
Wind Threnody, Yellow !!
Windday
Dropped cuffs, abyssite of merit, no nodowa (Our SAM trying to get them is like 0/50+...).

He's like the easiest NM ever to get a blue !! on.. stop going for the useless weaknesses if you're trying to get the rare drop.

[arshesney]

Do you, or anyone, have a partial list of what procs yellow? From what I've seen personally, the following can proc it:

Tier 3 blm nukes
Banish III
Holy

Relatively certain the following has proc'ed before for us, but I can't recall if other spells were going off at the same time:

Tier 4 blm nukes
Dia II
Bio II
Flash
Aspir
Drain
Stun

I'm almost positive some of the above were the trigger, but since I only started keeping mental track of yellows with Scars, I won't say for certain.

-

I also remember reading in this topic (near the very early posts iirc) that a dnc step proc'ed yellow, but I'm starting to believe that was just an instance of a step going off as a spell was triggering it. Any confirmation on dnc steps proc'ing?

I've NEVER seen Blue Magic or Ninjutsu proc it, then again I've rarely been in situations where we'd even see it. Never seen -aga's, AM, AM2 or any kind of enfeeble outside of Dia II, Bio II, Stun, and Flash be near a yellow trigger moment.

EDIT: Never seen a song proc yellow either. Nor any tier 1 or 2 blm nuke. Nor Banish or Banish II.

Can be any elemental/ninjutsu/divine/dark/enfeeble spell, had aero 2, firaga 2, thunder 4, bio 2, slow 2, raiton: san, hyoton: ni, flash (and others I forgot about) procs. Have yet to see any blu spell trigger it, altough having to cycle thru every blu spell... with cooldown.. gdi.

[Taint]

He's like the easiest NM ever to get a blue !! on.. stop going for the useless weaknesses if you're trying to get the rare drop.

I thought Grellow was for drops? I haven't seen much info on Blue !!, its physical WSs right?

[ronin sparthos]

Blue !! = Increased chance of the monsters 'rare' drop. (JSE in Vision areas for example)

Grellow !! = More items in lootpool (crafting mats etc) + more seal drops in Scars areas.

Blue are physical WS yea.

[Clave]

Those getting !!s against Mictcorse, have you ever gotten a !! during his casts? Is it possible to get !! if the spell or WS heals it?

[Massimo]

Those getting !!s against Mictcorse, have you ever gotten a !! during his casts? Is it possible to get !! if the spell or WS heals it?

Think about what you're saying. Basically asking if you can trigger it at all.

[pugnax179]

any idea which physical ws's have proc'd blue !! on Chukwa? getting tired of not seeing the collar drop

[Byrthnoth]

So, the basic story I'm getting is:
* The monster randomly chooses at least one (quite possibly 2) Spells, maybe ~2 physical Weaponskills, and probably 1 Elemental weaponskill every time it's claimed or popped.
* !!s either don't proc during TP moves (and possibly spell casting) or don't show up in the logs.
* Yellow !! = More common drops; Blue !! = More of the rare drop; Red !! = Key item (Atma or trigger or Abyssite)

[Taint]

So how is the Blue !! easy to trigger if there are 500 physical WSs?

[Massimo]

So how is the Blue !! easy to trigger if there are 500 physical WSs?

No one ever said it was 'easy'. Bring jobs that can use multiple weapons and cycle through the weaponskills. If you're looking for a rare drop, this will no doubt be the best use of your time, even if you kill a tad slower.

[Amok]

Sorry for the speculation, but two things stuck with me: someone saying that weakness changes/is decided upon claim/aggro plus Byrthnoth having a relative high success rate at getting grellow "!!" while duo. Is there a chance that weaknesses are picked from the spells and WS available to the alliance that claims/pops it? Only really needs one occurrence of this not happening for it to be true, so kinda hoping someone tried all their spells/ws while solo or duo and can disprove it.

[Taint]

Sorry for the speculation, but two things stuck with me: someone saying that weakness changes/is decided upon claim/aggro plus Byrthnoth having a relative high success rate at getting grellow "!!" while duo. Is there a chance that weaknesses are picked from the spells and WS available to the alliance that claims/pops it? Only really needs one occurrence of this not happening for it to be true, so kinda hoping someone tried all their spells/ws while solo or duo and can disprove it.

I've definitely done every elemental WS available with no success. If what you were saying was true, everyone would claim mobs solo.