Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Jeryhn]

He's like the easiest NM ever to get a blue !! on.. stop going for the useless weaknesses if you're trying to get the rare drop.

No one ever said it was 'easy'. Bring jobs that can use multiple weapons and cycle through the weaponskills. If you're looking for a rare drop, this will no doubt be the best use of your time, even if you kill a tad slower.

Of course, I'm going to bring like 4 different melee so I can test various physical weaponskills while its in physical healing mode, or drag it over to turtles and hold it while some of my melee build TP on them and we get GM'd for holding like people usually do on Cerberus server. Or I can just trio it SAM/RDM/BRD and use whatever trigger I can within that job grouping to enhance the drops. Your suggestion isn't entirely feasible for my enviornment, nor was it entirely warranted.

Of course, I should have known simply adding a data point solely for the sake of helping discover or outline any possible pattern to the various !! Triggers would be met with a suggestion on how I could supposedly do better. This is BG, after all. God forbid people contribute data for the sake of compiling it.

[Byrthnoth]

I kinda doubt it. We have access to about a sixth of the enemy-targeting magic in the game and we proc !! about a third of the time (probably 10/30ish NM pops now). I'm not saying it's entirely random (something like 3-4 of our !! procs have come from Fire III), but I would bet it isn't constrained to the spells that we have access to, considering we cast almost all of them (I'm too cheap and inventory-conscious to buy 8 stacks of ninja tools).

Blue magic - ~100ish?
Songs - ~25
Ninjutsu - ~27
White Magic - ~23
Black Magic - ~130

Of those, we have access to around 60 when we duo.


Have there been multiple reports of Blue magic proccing !!s?

[Massimo]

Of course, I'm going to bring like 4 different melee so I can test various physical weaponskills while its in physical healing mode, or drag it over to turtles and hold it while some of my melee build TP on them and we get GM'd for holding like people usually do on Cerberus server. Or I can just trio it SAM/RDM/BRD and use whatever trigger I can within that job grouping to enhance the drops. Your suggestion isn't entirely feasible for my enviornment, nor was it entirely warranted.

Of course, I should have known simply adding a data point solely for the sake of helping discover or outline any possible pattern to the various !! Triggers would be met with a suggestion on how I could supposedly do better. This is BG, after all. God forbid people contribute data for the sake of compiling it.

Bring a WAR and a bunch of weapons and you'll have a fair chance to proc a blue !! on him. It's really not as hard as you make it out to be, and is a huge time saver in the end. It'll take you 10~ more minutes to kill, yeah, but that's not going to get you GMd.

Also, the point about Mic being easier is you can heal him and still proc a !!, meaning you won't have to TP off other mobs.

[Taint]

Bring a WAR and a bunch of weapons and you'll have a fair chance to proc a blue !! on him. It's really not as hard as you make it out to be, and is a huge time saver in the end. It'll take you 10~ more minutes to kill, yeah, but that's not going to get you GMd.

Also, the point about Mic being easier is you can heal him and still proc a !!, meaning you won't have to TP off other mobs.

Do you spam down the list, skipping only the Elemental WSs?

[Massimo]

Do you spam down the list, skipping only the Elemental WSs?

Yeah. Once one weapon's out of weaponskills, switch to the next and cycle again.

[Wallrat]

Deleted. Info already posted.

[Clave]

Think about what you're saying. Basically asking if you can trigger it at all.

No, not really. Read again. I asked two separate questions. I obviously didn't expect the answer to both to be the same, or otherwise it would indeed be next to impossible to trigger(with physical WS anyway).

According to what you've said, healing it isn't a problem for triggering !!s. That's good to know. How about during casts?

[Massimo]

No, not really. Read again. I asked two separate questions. I obviously didn't expect the answer to both to be the same, or otherwise it would indeed be next to impossible to trigger(with physical WS anyway).

I guess so.

According to what you've said, healing it isn't a problem for triggering !!s. That's good to know. How about during casts?

I'm honestly not certain. People say you can't get a !! during weaponskills, but I'm not sure if this is even true and the !! just doesn't show. Should be possible to test now with the message though, so hopefully that'll get cleared up. I don't recall seeing one during a cast, but I'd imagine it's possible.

[Byrthnoth]

It's also possible the chat log message is tied to the animation, like a skillchain. The best non-!!ed drop I've gotten so far off a new NM is the Rare item and 2 seals. If someone can break 2 seals without hitting a visible !! or getting a message, I'd assume they hit it during a TP move or casting and just couldn't see.

[Ramses]

You don't need a chatlog message to tell if a mob is terrorized for 30 secs or not terrorized at all. You definitely cannot get a red !! while a mob is using tp. I don't see why blue and yellow would be different, especially since all evidence so far shows that you cannot.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

I got a !! on teh Eruca NM in Attohwa with Banish 2. Said it couldn't use magic but it continued to use magic anyways.

[Massimo]

You don't need a chatlog message to tell if a mob is terrorized for 30 secs or not terrorized at all. You definitely cannot get a red !! while a mob is using tp. I don't see why blue and yellow would be different, especially since all evidence so far shows that you cannot.

The code could be funky, we don't know. I've seen loot pools that suggested we've had a !! without actually seeing one, more than once. Of course this could just be random luck, but I still feel it needs to be tested further.

Going to try and trigger a single red !! next time I get a chance to, and then use it every time it WSs. If I end up with no atma in the end, it'll mean it does work.

[Kilik]

Doing a bunch of Bukhis tonight. Energy Drain triggered Red !! 3 times so far and Jinpu got it once. So far we are 3/5 on Grellow !! procs. 2 were from Banish 2 and 1 was from Hyoton: Ichi. I have screenshot of chat log from Hyoton proc'ing if needed. I know Im probably gonna get flamed for it, but both Banish 2 proc's were on Darksday and Hyoton (ice) was on Firesday. Probably just a coincidence.

Now for the interesting part. Since we got Atma for all LS member logged on in the first 2 fights, we decided to test to see if we could proc Red !! when the mob is casting a spell. 2 fights in a row we had Energy Drain proc Red !!. During those 2 fights we had our THF try to reproc it when the mob was casting. He would sit next to the mob and wait for it to start a cast and then use the WS. Out of 3-4 trys to reproc when Bukhis was casting, he NEVER got it. I'm not saying this is conclusive or anything but its some evidence pointing to weakness not being triggerable during casting.

Edit: damn line breaks.

[Tonko]

I have not read through the entire thread, I apologize if these facts are already known.

Was soloing Whiro, he went unclaimed several times during my solo, after going yellow one time, a spell I had used before (On Bluemage) triggered the grellow !!. It was Magnemite Cloud.It did not trigger it before, and did not trigger again after going unclaimed.

So the !! requirements are apparently indeed triggered when claim, not on pop, and can change. Blue Mage spells are also able to trigger !!

[Kukuk]

I found that out when soloing Iktomi, he goes unclaimed very easy and i had used drain multiple times during the fight. Then after he deaggroed i repulled with drain and popped Grellow!!

[macross]

Doing a bunch of Bukhis tonight. Energy Drain triggered Red !! 3 times so far and Jinpu got it once. So far we are 3/5 on Grellow !! procs. 2 were from Banish 2 and 1 was from Hyoton: Ichi. I have screenshot of chat log from Hyoton proc'ing if needed. I know Im probably gonna get flamed for it, but both Banish 2 proc's were on Darksday and Hyoton (ice) was on Firesday. Probably just a coincidence.

Now for the interesting part. Since we got Atma for all LS member logged on in the first 2 fights, we decided to test to see if we could proc Red !! when the mob is casting a spell. 2 fights in a row we had Energy Drain proc Red !!. During those 2 fights we had our THF try to reproc it when the mob was casting. He would sit next to the mob and wait for it to start a cast and then use the WS. Out of 3-4 trys to reproc when Bukhis was casting, he NEVER got it. I'm not saying this is conclusive or anything but its some evidence pointing to weakness not being triggerable during casting.

Edit: damn line breaks.

Good that someone has tested it. Could explain why we fail to get atmas on certain mobs.
What does the atma off him do btw? Jpn I talked to said he got 50 dex 30% crit one, but didnt mention where.

[Byrthnoth]

Okay, so the animation and message don't show up when monsters are casting or TPing... but do you get the effect anyway? I'm betting not, but it's hard to tell.

[Kilik]

Good that someone has tested it. Could explain why we fail to get atmas on certain mobs.
What does the atma off him do btw? Jpn I talked to said he got 50 dex 30% crit one, but didnt mention where.

Atma from Bukhis is HP:Superior, Crit Hit Dmg+: Minor, Enmity: Minor i think. Im at work so I cant check it atm. Only part im not sure of is the crit part. Its something to do with crit hits. I'll confirm it later.

I have a question for people who have triggered Red !! once on a Atma dropping mob and not gotten Atma. Was the person who triggered Red !! dead when the mob died? I ask because up until one of our Bukhis fights last night, we had been 100% on getting Atma when triggering Red !! once. On one fight last night I triggered it with Jinpu, but I died near the end of the fight. We didn't rush to get me raised since I got Atma on a previous fight, but the LS members we subbed in for that fight didn't get Atma. Anyone ever experience this? Keep in mind I'm only talking about situations where Red !! is triggered once since abusing a weakness is said to diminish its effects.

[Massimo]

Atma from Bukhis is HP:Superior, Crit Hit Dmg+: Minor, Enmity: Minor i think. Im at work so I cant check it atm. Only part im not sure of is the crit part. Its something to do with crit hits. I'll confirm it later.

I have a question for people who have triggered Red !! once on a Atma dropping mob and not gotten Atma. Was the person who triggered Red !! dead when the mob died? I ask because up until one of our Bukhis fights last night, we had been 100% on getting Atma when triggering Red !! once. On one fight last night I triggered it with Jinpu, but I died near the end of the fight. We didn't rush to get me raised since I got Atma on a previous fight, but the LS members we subbed in for that fight didn't get Atma. Anyone ever experience this? Keep in mind I'm only talking about situations where Red !! is triggered once since abusing a weakness is said to diminish its effects.

You make it sound like you had more than a full alliance. The popper's alliance when the mob dies will get atma/abyssite, so if you took him out of the killing alliance before it died, that'd explain it. Who triggered it shouldn't matter.

[Mafai]

Was 1 alliance, but we put members in that were not in previous fights to get the Atma (seems abyssea has many people playing again, so we leave people outside maw).

There were no rotations of players during the fights, only happened before the fight started so everyone could get the Atma. The only difference was the person that proc'd the Atma was dead when the mob died.