Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Churchill]

Whatever the Tyrannasaur Wivre is in Konschat:

Popped by RNG, first fight, !! (Don't know color) from Drain and Drain II.

Popped by RNG, second fight, no !! from Drain or Drain II. (Or any subsequent time fighting this NM)

[KoD]

Mictlantecuhtli Fire III, Yellow/Greenish - Full Drops
Cuelebre Water III, Yellow/greenish - Dagger+ 2Horns

Both on FireDay
Didnt seem to terro/stun/freeze mob at all.

Edit: Also did use FireI > IV and Water I > IV didnt get !! pop expect for tier III.

[Wally]

My ls called me mad for saying the day plays into the weakness of the mob. On lightsday using Thunder 3 we managed to get a yellow !! on Grandgousier.

[Shadida]

Is it possible that it only cycles through 4 possible choices? Dark magic, elemental magic, physical, elemental weaponskill? that would be much nicer if this were the case...

I have a feeling it's that way too. I've done fights where Tachi: Gekko would sometimes, not always give !!, and it only seemed to do it when we hit a certain threshold of dmg. So maybe, the way you trigger !! is by using the right type of attack (physical WS/magic WS/dark magic/elemental magic) and doing enough damage with that type?

[KoD]

I have a feeling it's that way too. I've done fights where Tachi: Gekko would sometimes, not always give !!, and it only seemed to do it when we hit a certain threshold of dmg. So maybe, the way you trigger !! is by using the right type of attack (physical WS/magic WS/dark magic/elemental magic) and doing enough damage with that type?

I think its more like a xx amount of time between each "!!", Water III or Fire III wouldnt always give the "!!" but would do after the 2nd cast after getting it apear

[Enygma55]

There is a cooldown period between when !! can appear.

I was debating this between an LS mate that yellow and green are infact the same color because its a yellowish green !!

Yellow triggered from Cuelebre from Bio II and I said yellow and he said green and I'm just wondering if those 2 are the same color or just being miscolored ala adaman debate blurple.


Few things That I've seen.

Khalimari
-Gekko blue -no drop
-Cyclone red -Atma dropped
-Stagger step yellow -no drop
-Aero 3 yellow -helm

Cuelebre
-Bio2 yellow -dagger + abyssite

Yearner
-Blizzard3 yellow -nada

Mikey
-Bio2 Red -Atma Dropped

Mitch
-Fire4 yellow -nada


My Theory is an underlining theme for each NM. For example, it seem Khalimari triggers alot from things related to wind in any way. Gekko has a silencing effect: sort of wind related. Cyclone triggering red. Aero 3 and I believe someone said Aero 2 also triggered yellow.

So anything wind related could trigger something be it a song, a spell, a WS, a magic WS, a Ninjitsu spell, etc...

Its still pretty random in general to come up with anything that'll work reliably. If we knew what blue and yellow/green really meant might be easier to narrow the cause.

[gilgam]

at first.
weakness WS/magic are random.
NOT SET PATTERN

ele WS makes Red !!=terro and possibly drop Atma.
normal WS maks Blue !!=Amnesia.
magic makes Yellow !!=Silence.
also, if you keep doing weakness WS/Magic,
Item/Atma Drop rate going down,so just do once, maybe twice,
oh source:http://www.famitsu.com/blog/vanatsu/2010/08/nm_1.html

[Kegsay]

Nice find, seems legit to me being from Famitsu and all.

[AzazaelFenrir]

I am also starting to wonder if the weakness is also triggered by the job that pulls the mob.

[Chen]

can't remember the colour of !!, sorry but:

!! on celubre from stun, don't think much happened.
!!(purple i think) from guillotine on rafflesia NM(rashovlik or w/e)

[Sehrahin]

I think it's becoming obvious that

Yellow !! = Dark Magic
Green !! = Elemental Magic
Blue !! = Physical Weaponskill
Red !! = Magic Weaponskill

Yellow prolly Dark/enfeebling and possibly divine as well. Got Yellow !! from Slow II on Ruminator.

[KoD]

I think it's becoming obvious that

Yellow !! = Dark Magic
Green !! = Elemental Magic
Blue !! = Physical Weaponskill
Red !! = Magic Weaponskill

I'm gonna go by assumtion and say there is No Yellow "!!" But instead its due fact it light lime green what has tint of yellow on the bottom and top, what can be seen in every "!!"

[Gwynplaine]

at first.
weakness WS/magic are random.
NOT SET PATTERN

ele WS makes Red !!=terro and possibly drop Atma.
normal WS maks Blue !!=Amnesia.
magic makes Yellow !!=Silence.
also, if you keep doing weakness WS/Magic,
Item/Atma Drop rate going down,so just do once, maybe twice,
oh source:http://www.famitsu.com/blog/vanatsu/2010/08/nm_1.html

Nice, has this been posted before? If so I must have missed it. Either way good stuff. Seems like there's no green color only yellow. I'd appreciate a more thorough translation though. Is this like official info granted from Square? Or is it this person's observations he posted to his blog?

[miokomioko]

I'm gonna go by assumtion and say there is No Yellow "!!" But instead its due fact it light lime green what has tint of yellow on the bottom and top, what can be seen in every "!!"

Yeah, that began to cross my mind since there's inconsistencies between what people think the 4 colors of the 'Pulling the Plug' Memory Receptacles are, even when they are obviously Beryl/Indigo/Cyan/Red.

Yay for color blindness and uncalibrated monitors.

[Noneko]

khalamari:

red lotus blade - red !! - long terror + dropped atma

chukwa:

Aspir - yellow/green !! - nothing noticable

[benny]

The interesting application of this info is that you can "aim" for a desirable atma drop by fighting the right NM with as wide a variety of elemental WS as possible. Some of those atmas look well worth the effort, too.

[Gwynplaine]

There aren't really all that many elemental WS in total are there? I mean compared to the entire gamut of WS, magic, and abilities, it's a fairly short list.

[tymora]

The article states that if you're aiming for Atma, limit the same weakness to 1x trigger only.
Bringing a WAR with multiple weapons to try out a lot of elemental WS is a plus and suggests buying the Wing from the NPC at start to try out usually useless weapons.

Well, the suggestions do make sense.

[Belkin]

I can vouch Red !!'s = Atma chance but we did like 4-5 times on the Gnole NM and still got it. Luck? Maybe.

What I'm more interested in is how nobody seems to be experimenting with the things that NPC's have said a few times..."Killshot the NM's in a variety of ways"?

What kinda malarky is that? Perhaps we should start posting how we are kill shotting NM's too and see if we can find something from that data.

[Priran]

http://www.famitsu.com/blog/vanatsu/...100805_ph1.jpg

it's as yellow as adaberk is purple