Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[NynJa]

Nightshade Quake on Earthsday

[Khajit]

Got atma from eve after it supposedly went yellow post !! proc. No second procs so even if you declaim you get the atma it seems that declaming doesnt stop you from getting the atma..

[Massimo]

Got atma from eve after it supposedly went yellow post !! proc. No second procs so even if you declaim you get the atma it seems that declaming doesnt stop you from getting the atma..

Losing claim and losing hate is two very different things. A mob can go yellow as many times as you want it to, but if you deaggro it so it goes idle, its !! properties will be reset.

[Clave]

Yap, don't confuse mob going unclaimed w/ it going idle. Also, red !! is for Atma, yellow just helps with extra drops.

[chichicha]

Sorry, I'm at work reading this forum.
Instead of going thru 460+ posts, can anyone explain to me what is grellow?!
A bit slow here... ; ;

[Byrthnoth]

Yap, don't confuse mob going unclaimed w/ it going idle. Also, red !! is for Atma, yellow just helps with extra drops.

Red = Key items (Atma, Abyssite, Key item for next tier)
Grellow = Crafting Materials/Common drops/Seals/AF3+2 items
Blue = Rare item (AF3 accessories, the new body armors, Hochomasamune, Bullwhip belt, etc. The 10% rates.)

[Salmijr]

Sorry, I'm at work reading this forum.
Instead of going thru 460+ posts, can anyone explain to me what is grellow?!
A bit slow here... ; ;

Grellow is just a term people started using since some would call it the !! Yellow, some would call it green.

[chichicha]

Thank you so much

[Klaatu]

Is someone updating OP with the data that's coming in ?

[Xerlic]

Last night we did a sweep of some Misareaux NMs and just to throw out more data to support the day of pop = element of grellow theory:

Earthday:
Funereal Apkallu - Stone 4 - Grellow - 1 PUP seal only
Heqet - Stone 3 - Grellow - 3 DRK seals, 1 SAM seal

Waterday:
Gukumetz - Asuran Fists - Blue - Axe, fang, BLM seal, some other seal I can't remember
Amhuluk - Water 4 - Grellow - Coin of Balancex3 and Dagger
Colibri NM - Water 4 - Grellow - 2 BRD seals, 1 other seal

This was all done with me on RDM casting only spells of the day and not much else outside of the standard enfeebles. We also popped another Funereal Apkallu and the brown bird, but was unable to proc a !!.

I wasn't there but my LS claimed that Carabosse proc'd grellow from bio 2 on Lightsday. Does the rule not apply to Visions zones NMs?

[Kirschy]

Last night we did a sweep of some Misareaux NMs and just to throw out more data to support the day of pop = element of grellow theory:

Earthday:
Funereal Apkallu - Stone 4 - Grellow - 1 PUP seal only
Heqet - Stone 3 - Grellow - 3 DRK seals, 1 SAM seal

Waterday:
Gukumetz - Asuran Fists - Blue - Axe, fang, BLM seal, some other seal I can't remember
Amhuluk - Water 4 - Grellow - Coin of Balancex3 and Dagger
Colibri NM - Water 4 - Grellow - 2 BRD seals, 1 other seal

This was all done with me on RDM casting only spells of the day and not much else outside of the standard enfeebles. We also popped another Funereal Apkallu and the brown bird, but was unable to proc a !!.

I wasn't there but my LS claimed that Carabosse proc'd grellow from bio 2 on Lightsday. Does the rule not apply to Visions zones NMs?

From what I can tell there is just a high chance of Green !! proc from magic of the same element as day. Seems to me something like ~75% chance it is magic of same element as day, and 25% it's something random.

Also has anyone seen a Scythe Weaponskill proc blue !!

[Phraust]

Lugarhoo, Red, Energy Drain, Darksday
Lugarhoo, Green, Fire III, Darksday

[Thorny]

Does anyone have a decent sized list of the WS that have procced blue !! or success trying to 'force' a blue proc? My gut tells me it's not all of them, and the consensus is that lower tiered elemental WS can't proc.. so may be something similar for physical WS. I ask because going through every single WS WAR can use has failed to net me a proc the 3 times I've used it.. if it was an even distribution that would be ungodly rare. However, if it favors WS like asuran fists/detonator/etc(quested/job specific), it would make a lot of sense. Obviously the first step would be to go through this thread and pull all the reports, but they seem few and far between so felt it would be prudent to ask in case anyone knows and didn't bother speaking up.

[Byrthnoth]

Has anyone hit a Grellow !! with Drain/Aspir II, Requiem 5-7, Virelai, Lullaby II, or a Helix?

It is a little hard to sort through this thread, as there's a dramatic amount of miss-identification going on. For instance, a guy claims to have triggered Grellow !! with Stagger Step and Red !! with Bio II on page 1. Riiiight. <,<

So:
BLM - >50 spells (Freeze is the lowest level black magic spell I've seen for, Stone V is the highest, Blizzaga III has been reported)
BRD - <50 spells (Threnodies and one Requiem have been reported to !!, nothing else has been confirmed)
DRK - <50 spells (One report of Drain II, but only one and on the first page. They also said Drain 1 !!ed that fight)
RDM - Dispel is the only RDM-specific spell I've seen confirmed to proc !!. I haven't seen any debuffs or Dia confirmed to proc !!s.
SCH - ??? (One report of Libra on Eve on the first page, 0 reports of helices, until Libra is confirmed I'd remain skeptical)
WHM/PLD - Flash, Holy, and Banish II have been reported... WHM <=50? 1 Banish III has also been reported in a laundry list. idk then!
BLU - <50 spells? - Only 1 reported BLU spell has triggered !!, Magnetite Cloud. Seems credible as it was a BLU soloing Whiro, which is unfortunate. I suspect BLUs are to blame for why we can't trigger Grellow !!s consistently.
NIN - Someone reported 2 NIN spells triggering (a Ni and a San), but apart from them no one has reported Ninjutsu or merit spells triggering Grellow !!s.
DNC - Someone reported a Grellow !! to a Dancer step, but his credibility is very questionable.

There's one report of Blizzard 1 and 2 causing Green !!s. There have been a few credible seeming reports of people finding two spells that both trigger Grellow IIs.

The reason I'd pick 50 as a divider is that at 99 we'd be able to sub the other spells.

[Taint]

We had 2 Blue procs yesterday. Mistral Axe(225 skill) and Decimation(240skill). I did not note the day of the week.

[Karbuncle]

Pro'd a Blue "!!" on the Djinn NM with Shark Bite.

Edit: I know i've heard of Dancing Edge proc before too.

So it could be Skill > 200 Unless someones seen different.

[Thorny]

Just finished going through:

Asuran Fists-Lugarhoo,Lugarhoo,Gukumatz
Heavy Shot-Bakka, Khalamari, Khalamari
Evisceration-Pantagruel, Khalamari
Sidewinder-Piasa, Miclantecuhtli
Gekko-Gancanagh, Khalamari, Chasmic Hornet, Gancanagh, Lachrymater, Lacovie
Guillotine-Rashkovlnik
Dancing Edge-Khalamari,Khalamari
Shark Bite-Khalamari, Djinn NM
Skullbreaker-Raskovnik
Kasha-Brooder
Howling Fist-Depths Digester
Blade: Ku-Eccentric Eve
Arching Arrow-Lugarhoo, Admanstor
Savage Blade-Khalamari
Vorpal Blade-Whiro
Dragon Kick-Whiro
Mistral Axe
Decimation
Spinning Attack

I included the monsters, not because I think it's monster-specific, but as a tally of how many reports.

Asuran Fists-250(Q)
Evisceration-230(Q)
Gekko-225
Guillotine-200
>Sidewinder-175<
Shark Bite-225
Dancing Edge-200
Kasha-250(Q)
Vorpal Blade-200

I believe these are subject to response bias, hence the multiple reports. When you remove them you get the following as likely candidates for people who tried all their weaponskills to proc:

Heavy Shot-225
Arching Arrow-225
Savage Blade-240(Q)
Howling Fist-200
Dragon Kick-225
Mistral Axe-225
Decimation-240(Q)
Skullbreaker-150
Spinning Attack-150

The sample size of reports makes this extremely hard to piece anything useful together out of. Only 32 reports total, if you are to assume that only 150+ WS can trigger it the basis is that the people in the latter group were trying to proc, not just firing a single random WS. To properly prove, we would need all weaponskills used on a mob without it unclaiming until blue procs(preferably ~10 instances): a pretty hefty requirement. Furthermore, you need to take into account that 150+ accounts for about half of all weaponskills.. and almost no elemental ones. This means that if <150 are possible, only about 25% of mobs will have a <150 WS as a trigger. To say they cannot with any degree of certainty, we'd need at the very least 6 consecutive instances of forcing a blue proc without a failure.. preferably by the same group to avoid any response bias.

[Ocara]

Pro'd a Blue "!!" on the Djinn NM with Shark Bite.

Edit: I know i've heard of Dancing Edge proc before too.

So it could be Skill > 200 Unless someones seen different.

I've hit blue with spinning attack, and that's only 150 skill.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, it may be worth looking at what WSs proc Red !!s first because blue may follow a similar organizational scheme and red is bound to be simpler. Also, because magic WSs are worthless and unlikely to be used otherwise, there should be no ambiguity about it. Reports should be accurate.

From scanning the thread:
Dagger - Energy Drain and Cyclone, [Energy Steal has been reported once by Stoomie, but may be a mistake]
GKT - Koki, Jinpu, [Goten and Kagero (both a la Clave)]
Katana - Blade: Ei
Sword - Red Lotus Blade, Seraph blade
Club - Seraph strike
GS - Freezebite
Scythe - Shadow of Death
Gun - Hot Shot
Polearm - Raiden Thrust
Staff - Sunburst, Earth Crusher
Marksmanship - [Hot shot was a joke by Shadida if you clicked the Spoiler, unless there are other reports I doubt that Marksmanship or Archery have one]

I can't think of any more, but it is interesting to note that not every magic ws has been reported to proc.

[Bladefury]

Shadowstitch on Granite Borer received Blue !! for us yesterday