Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[NynJa]

what Clave said, I think only player casted spells matter. Berstuk would be an easy test, since you dont have to wait long for a repop, nor would it be relatively camped, and slugs are healed by water.

[Toshiko]

We did a T3 vnm in konschtat with a BLM puppet who kept procing grellow weakness with aspir.

[Jamie]

Funny, I have 5 posts of pages coinciding with this....then mr. 8 posts drops this randomly? Someone else?

Sorry for the delay, to be fair, heqet could have been up for hours, no clue, but overall the day before of and after looks pretty solid. So triggering must be decided on pop and not on claim.

[Jeryhn]

Sorry for the delay, to be fair, heqet could have been up for hours, no clue, but overall the day before of and after looks pretty solid. So triggering must be decided on pop and not on claim.

That doesn't explain how a weakness can change if a mob goes passive, unless you're suggesting that a new weakness is determined every time a mob enters its passive mode (e.g. when it pops, when it kills whoever/deaggroed, etc.).

[Kilik]

If anyone wants to go through logs to check the day/time of a proc, you can use this link to calculate the vana'diel day: http://lmxvii.net/timecalc/

Input all times in EST. Numerical values for each field. October 5, 2010 3:20:30pm would be 10, 5, 2010, 15, 20, 30.

Clicking "Find Time" won't take you to a new page. It just makes the Vana time show up underneath the button

[NynJa]

Are you certain it was thunder3? no chance it was another spell landing at the same time?

I do know that going yellow doesnt automagically change weaknesses, Durinn went yellow a couple times when I fought it, but weakness didnt change both fights.

[Jamie]

im saying that when it pops its selecting a weakness, not when its claimed. And im positive it was thunder 3, was the only spell being cast 30 seconds before or after.

[Thorny]

im saying that when it pops its selecting a weakness, not when its claimed

This has already been proven to be false. A friend of mine repeatedly deaggros Iktomi to get the !! as something he can trigger. If it was decided on pop instead of claim this wouldn't make sense.

[Mafai]

A member of my shell went back through his logs for procs on magic using the link above.

If there's a bunch of spells listed it means all those spells went off at roughly the same time. Since log order is based on animation and not actual time the spell "lands", it could be any.

Wherwetrice, Water II
Sept. 25, 2010 6:37:08
Earthsday: 1107-07-06 10:28:20
Element of next day

Pallid Percy, Water IV
Sept. 25, 2010 7:00:15
Earthsday: 1107-07-06 20:06:15
Element of next day

Cirein-Croin, Abs-ATR, Stone III, Earth Thren, Ltng. Thren, Fire IV, Aspir, Huton: Ni
Sept. 26, 2010 21:24:41
Earthsday: 1107-08-16 20:21:15
Element of day, or random unrelated ones

Cirein-Croin, Ltng. Thren
Sept. 26, 2010 21:54:23
Watersday: 1107-08-17 08:39:35
In this case we know it was actually Ltng. Threnody because savage cast it and got yellow again a minute later, the log the 1st time could have been like 6 things.
Element of day

Cirein-Croin, Foe Requiem, Flood
Sept. 26, 2010 22:52:13
Windsday: 1107-08-18 08:45:25
Element of previous day or unrelated

Amhuluk, Stone II
Sept. 27, 2010 00:36:21
Lightningday: 1107-08-20 04:08:45
Element strong against current day

Amhuluk, Banish II
Sept. 27, 2010 01:14:46
Lightningday: 1107-08-20 20:09:10
Element of next day

Wherwetrice, Drain
Sept. 28, 2010 18:14:15
Firesday: 1107-10-03 12:56:15
Element of previous day

Pallid Percy, Drain
Sept. 28, 2010 18:32:23
Firesday: 1107-10-03 20:29:35
Element of previous day

So just out of a few log entries over a few days, we have element of prev, current, next and strong against current day. One thing I do notice is that procs within a single game day are always from the same element, even on different NMs or repops of the same NM. So maybe each time the current VD day changes, the game selects an element, and all NMs fought during that game day will have their weakness be from that element?

Decidated testing would be the best way to confirm this stuff but I'll at least note this stuff in real time whenever a single spell is the clear trigger.

[Thorny]

Strong element weakens the theory drastically(Amhuluk example #1). Each game day selecting an element is false, per Amhuluk pops having 2 seperate elements within the same game day.

[pendragoon]

All of the Whiro I fought, I would start the fight solo. (easier/quicker to deaggro with only a single person having hate).

I cycle through my spells (as RDM/SCH) in a specific order each time. bio > drain > aspir > dispel > Tier IV > Tier III > deaggro.

I've gotten the weakness trigger and failed to get hate on my mule 5 times out of ~15 solos (His hate is strange, occasionally he would deaggro a split second after nukes landed, each time the new weakness was different than the previous weakness, different in element each time)

If a spell causes weakness, I have my mule or 2nd person touch it. Ensures that even if I lost hate, someone else would have it, leaving enough time for me to get it back.

I'll leave the Aero IV > aspir off the table, since I can't prove it. Also, I could have sworn I've seen proc with Aero III and Stone III doing Cep-Kamuy, but again, no proof and those were not solo attempts.

Also would like to add, with my Durinn fight last night, Red Lotus Blade didn't trigger it on first attempt. I purposefully made sure he wasn't using a TP move. He was mid-cast at the time of my first try.

[Thorny]

Casts have the same effect as TP moves. Hurr.

[NynJa]

Also, I could have sworn I've seen proc with Aero III and Stone III doing Cep-Kamuy, but again, no proof and those were not solo attempts.

Also would like to add, with my Durinn fight last night, Red Lotus Blade didn't trigger it on first attempt. I purposefully made sure he wasn't using a TP move. He was mid-cast at the time of my first try.

Earth > Water > Wind...if it were watersday then theres nothing wrong with that.

And yeah, what thorny said, TP and casting have the same cockblock on !! triggers. Its a pain in the ass -.-

I've gotten the weakness trigger and failed to get hate on my mule 5 times out of ~15 solos (His hate is strange, occasionally he would deaggro a split second after nukes landed, each time the new weakness was different than the previous weakness, different in element each time)

Thats normal, I dont know how else to say it, but its like theres a countdown. If a mob hasnt acted on you in X seconds, it'll stop chasing, even if your nuke lands a second before its supposed to deaggro, even if you're acting upon it.

[Lunacie]

Aspir proc'd Grellow on Pallid Percy. Was Darksday.

[Thorny]

Countdown is 30 seconds, a mob not in tracking range for 30 seconds deaggros. Keep in mind that tracking range for scent mobs is the entire zone, unless obstructed by water. If your nuke lands immediately after, may not notice but it'll put hate back on you. Nukes before are irrelevant.

[Kurgan]

Triggered yellow "!!" on Khalkotaur in Abyssea - Vunkerl by casting Freeze on it. It was Lightningday. Popped it on Iceday, though.

[cdgreg]

If say Thunder III procs a grellow !!, does that also mean thunder IV will? Aka is it spell specific, or element specific?

[Mercilessturtle]

It's the specific spell.

[Thalandor46]

Went about 0/5 on the La Theine Liege key item for Carabosse last night, something we usually get within 3 kills. We were duoing on DRG and BST, so we didn't have a lot of red options, but we finally got a red !! to trigger from Raiden Thrust on Lightsday, leading to 1/6 for the evening.

[Worlace]

Proc'd Grellow !! on Asanbosam with Blizzard4 at ~2:00 on Lightningday, probably popped on Iceday, wasn't scanning nonstop for it.