Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Yugl]

I've had instances where triggering the yellow !! took more than one cast of a spell to proc (EX: Aero IV/Thunder III). The atmas issue is troublesome since I plan on killing the Dvergr mob soon, but from what I'm hearing, we may have difficulty even if we establish the 13 WS rotation.

[Thorny]

I know it's a slightly different point than what you're making but the wipe will not always reset the weakness oddly. We had a Turul that was held for too long so it needed to be reset. Earlier we had triggered yellow and red on it with Bliz 3/4and Red Lotus Blade respectively. After the reset Turul still triggered red with RLB but Bliz didn't work. It seems really wierd how weaknesses are picked.

It's almost like it reset and chose the same ws for red weakness. But no, that's 1/13 chance, no way in hell it happened!

[Zubuis]

I've had instances where triggering the yellow !! took more than one cast of a spell to proc (EX: Aero IV/Thunder III). The atmas issue is troublesome since I plan on killing the Dvergr mob soon, but from what I'm hearing, we may have difficulty even if we establish the 13 WS rotation.

I wouldnt really worry about it. Durinn is pretty easy honestly. I really think SE made an error and I think Dvalinn is suppose to be Durinn and vice versa. Dvalinn absorbs damage which makes him harder. Durinn doesnt absorb anything. Shouldnt really have problems proc'ing the !!, though shit happens of course.

[Yugl]

Well we're going with more people this time since people want the atma (Yet, didn't help with the key items...) and you never know how more people will change the dynamics of the fight. Dvalinn was a joke and the fact that you can gravity him only emphasizes that. If Durinn is easier, my bigger concern is probably going to be killing it before we rotate the WSs.

[Hanyoko]

I wouldnt really worry about it. Durinn is pretty easy honestly. I really think SE made an error and I think Dvalinn is suppose to be Durinn and vice versa. Dvalinn absorbs damage which makes him harder. Durinn doesnt absorb anything. Shouldnt really have problems proc'ing the !!, though shit happens of course.

Lets not forget Durinn gives the title "Dvalinn Deceiver"

[FailureMidgard]

I know it's a slightly different point than what you're making but the wipe will not always reset the weakness oddly. We had a Turul that was held for too long so it needed to be reset. Earlier we had triggered yellow and red on it with Bliz 3/4and Red Lotus Blade respectively. After the reset Turul still triggered red with RLB but Bliz didn't work. It seems really wierd how weaknesses are picked.

. . . .
Every time it's engaged it gets 3 random weakness from 3 different lists of spells/abilities. It has a 1/13 chance of picking the same red trigger after a wipe, so that's what happened. I have no idea what point you are trying to make here, except to show you don't understand what "reset" means. It doesn't mean it will always change, it means it will reset.

{Edit: Meh, Thorny responded, I had it typed up for like an hr and forgot to post, haha, sorry}.

[bungie]

Maybe the mobs weakness isnt static. Maybe it changes every x seconds?

Could possibly be why some people have a hard time proc'ing them. Just a random thought.

Seems unlikely considering you can proc a weakness multiple times, which doesn't change until you either use it a certain number of times or the mob goes passive.

Have fought Ovnis in near-invincible mode where Red triggers were literally 30 mins apart.

the way i took it, was a theory i had at some point too. what if the weakness changes every x seconds until its triggered? this is what I think he ment.

would explain why ppl land WS's multiple times outside of tp/casting before the !! is triggered.

[Cantih]

Kukulkan - Pop Iceday - Raiden Thrust - Red !!

[Thorny]

would explain why ppl land WS's multiple times outside of tp/casting before the !! is triggered.

Occam's Razor

Human Error

Stop making bullshit theories.

[Massimo]

This would explain a few things if correct, but it would also make it a bit more of a headache. We did trigger red !! in giant form after deaggroing on ours.

Going to pop it again later today and test it.

So.. we had it proc before it went into head form <_< It's a valid theory though, considering we used all 13 in head form last time and it didn't proc.

[Johnblaze]

Brooder - Shadowstitch - Popped on Watersday
Finally dropped mah boots!

[Fievel]

Brooder - Shadowstitch - Popped on Watersday
Finally dropped mah boots!

Gratz JB :D

[Johnblaze]

Thanks my good man

[Myrrh_Quetz]

Is it not possible to get a !! on Hadal when a Anima has been used? My group used every Elemental WS twice and we could not proc the red !!.

[mackerel]

drekavac fire4 earthsday
mictlantecuhtli blade:ei watersday
adze blade:ei windsday
mictlantecuhtli aero3 windsday
lacovie seraph blade iceday
lacovie#2 steel cyclone iceday
hungerer blizzard3 lightningsday (no upgrade)
myrmecoleon thunder3 lightningsday
mictlantecuhtli banish2 darksday, may have popped lightsday

Midway through tonight I started recording the ones we were unable to find a !! on, in spite of landing spells matching the current theory several times.
lacovie#3 X iceday
tefenet X lightningsday
tefenet X lightningsday
tefenet X lightsday
tefenet X lightsday
yearner X lightsday
lachrymater X lightsday
lachrymater X darksday popped lightsday
cuelebre X darksday

[blowfin]

Raskovnik - Mistral Axe - Blue !! - Darksday

Died unprepared on a solo attempt, bummer coz i probably would have gotten my stupid cape finally.

[Sprint]

Proced red !! twice yesterday on Durinn, no atma either fight. ~75% of the people in the alliance already had the atma, was trying to get it for some people that missed. Both chars procing already have the atma, does that prevent it from dropping to the rest of the alliance? Last fight I proc with raiden thrust and only used it once, wasnt done twice so that wasnt the issue.

[Massimo]

Proced red !! twice yesterday on Durinn, no atma either fight. ~75% of the people in the alliance already had the atma, was trying to get it for some people that missed. Both chars procing already have the atma, does that prevent it from dropping to the rest of the alliance? Last fight I proc with raiden thrust and only used it once, wasnt done twice so that wasnt the issue.

It definitely does not.

[AzazaelFenrir]

wanted to double check.

Abyssite - Everyone in alliance will get no matter where in zone
Atma - Have to be in xp range

I just ask because last night doing Crawlers we had someone who as at murex get the abyssite, but the night before we had people across a zone not get an atma.

[Zubuis]

Proced red !! twice yesterday on Durinn, no atma either fight. ~75% of the people in the alliance already had the atma, was trying to get it for some people that missed. Both chars procing already have the atma, does that prevent it from dropping to the rest of the alliance? Last fight I proc with raiden thrust and only used it once, wasnt done twice so that wasnt the issue.

Person who poppped it, prob dropped from the alliance, which would result in not getting the atma.