Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Aurara]

I guess we know what the missing magic WS is.... god damn it.

This...fucking dragon breath....

[Plow]

that can't be right... we have to do threnodies and a drg ws and pray it picks the right ones?

[Aurara]

that can't be right... we have to do threnodies and a drg ws and pray it picks the right ones?

SE is sneaky enough to make this all true

[Shenrien]

augh.... that is a headache all on its own... but with the list already having 13 Ws, how often do you run into something that wont stagger from those 13?

[Byrthnoth]

augh.... that is a headache all on its own... but with the list already having 13 Ws, how often do you run into something that wont stagger from those 13?

Not often. Once or twice last night in 20+ NMs (without anyone for Blade: Ei). Wyvern Breath (hopefully generic and not Flame breath in specific) would be the last one and the list would have only 14 weaponskills on it, I'd guess.

Goddamn SE is gay.

[Aurara]

augh.... that is a headache all on its own... but with the list already having 13 Ws, how often do you run into something that wont stagger from those 13?

A lot more often now since we just figured out that dragoon breath counts.......

[Shenrien]

well.. thank god for Quint Spear? or is that proc rate absolute shit?

[Odin'sLaw]

you'd think everyone would love drg, nope Fucking drgs! (oh wait i'm lv 85 drg >.>) K Club prog's on jumps right? so presuming Q spear can prog on jumps (already said i presume) drg/sam would never run out of tp

[Thorny]

Log order can be skewed by gearswaps, I honestly don't believe this. I've never failed to trigger using the thirteen, on top of that any NM can proc red !!, not just the ones people regularly farm for atma. What are the odds that in the 6 months abyssea has been out, nobody used DRG ws and rolled a 1/14? I'm sure every server has had dozens of DRGs wsing NMs.

[Byrthnoth]

1/14 chance of that being the trigger, may specifically be flame breath, no one would believe it if they saw it with more than like 2 DDs. They may not report it either way. Dragoon isn't exactly a job I bring to every Abyssea party (try none).

If it can be replicated then I'll believe it. It won't affect how I hunt NMs though, as dragoon still isn't a worthwhile job to bring when farming key items.

[NynJa]

Its not a matter of it being a trigger...its a matter of how come it hasnt been found out as a trigger till now? I can assure you that every attempt my group has done to trigger red, we have not come to a fight we couldnt trigger it, because the aforementioned 13 WS's didnt trigger it. I'm with thorny on this, theres some missing information...if nothing else, POIDH?

[aspekt]

Log order can be skewed by gearswaps, I honestly don't believe this. I've never failed to trigger using the thirteen, on top of that any NM can proc red !!, not just the ones people regularly farm for atma. What are the odds that in the 6 months abyssea has been out, nobody used DRG ws and rolled a 1/14? I'm sure every server has had dozens of DRGs wsing NMs.

Log can be very mess up some time, i am sure most SAM can tell you when they solo darkness, they sometimes would see gekko first in the chat log then follow by rana, when they actually did R>G.

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/892cfb14.png

i have even gotten i see SC first then Gekko then Rana

[Thorny]

I have 2 members who love DRG and come on it to less serious events(t1 farm for instance). In an average session, will pop at least 30-40 T1s(definitely low end estimate).. if you assume each DRG WSes once per mob you'd think a random red would have triggered at least once. And no, I'm not attributing them to other weaponskills, as we don't use elemental WS on seal-only mobs..

[Kirschy]

While in general the log can't be trusted, I do notice that the "xxx readies Weapon Skill" is usualli right on target. When a mob becomes staggered it will always immediately follow the "readies" log message. (This is based on about ~30 Red + Blue triggers I looked up in my log.)

Masa, by any chance can you post a log except so we can all try to interpret what happened? While I don't doubt you, I am skeptical for obvious reasons~

[Cantih]

Dozing Dorian - Lightsday Pop - Red !! - Seraph Blade
Carabosse - Lightsday Pop - Red !! - Raiden Thrust

[arus2001]

Moreover, if the Wyvern breath thing proves true, it opens the door for some automaton WS and maybe even some BST jugs. Actually, how do those things even pan out for lights? Pearl like SMN BPs?

[Thorny]

BPs are pearl, wyvern breath are azure~

[fredjanx]

...Flame Breath... triggered Red!!...

SE sure knows how to troll its customers.

[Odin'sLaw]

BPs are pearl, wyvern breath are azure~

got a few azure breaths last night on bats i think people were more annoyed then "oh wait raiden got azure light? O.o"

[bungie]

Occam's Razor

Human Error

Stop making bullshit theories.

no.. not only myself, but plenty others have seen spells and WS's used multiple times before proc. personally ive seen this with spells and WS's on mobs that dont cast and that are simply being fed minimal TP.

last i checked not everything is known yet.