Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Taint]

We proc red on every NM without fail with the 13 so very confident the upper WSs aren't needed. I can't find a good coorelation between the day and the WS. I thought I was onto something with the 3 day theory but the next day we had some randoms. The Elemental Wheel theory is worth looking further into. Failing to proc grellow just means you got unlucky, I've seen some crazy things when procing red, like doing the WS then the mob using a TP move a second or two later and the proc not working, only to work later in the fight.

[Alistrianna]

My group has gotten a few blue procs on NMs recently, first on one of those Gigas NMs in La Theine Plateua and the other oon Hadal Satiator. Both we're triggered by Tachi: Gekko, both we're fought on iceday. Also had Spinning Slash proc blue on Ovni on windsday. Maybe the skillchain element of physical WS's determine what WS will proc on a given day?

[Byrthnoth]

Blue !!
WS - Day
---------
Gekko - Light
Gekko - Light
Gekko - Light
Gekko - Light
Gekko - Dark
Gekko - Ice
Gekko - Dark
Kasha - Dark
Spinning Slash - Dark
Spinning Slash - Dark
Dancing Edge - Ice
Shark Bite - Water

This is the reason that I don't think there's a correlation between WS skillchain properties and day. Light/Dark would have to include all the skillchain that can lead to light/dark to match Kirschy's data. Also, we would predict that Gekko can only proc on Dark/Ice/Watersday.

Gekko - Distortion/Reverbration (Ice/Water)
Kasha - Fusion/Compression (Light/Fire/Dark)
Spinning Slash - Fragmentation only (Wind/Lightning)
Dancing Edge - Scission/Detonation (Earth/Wind)
Shark Bite - Fragmentation only (Wind/Lightning)

[Cantih]

Usurper - Claimed Watersday - Red !! - Seraph Blade

My day leanings for red !! seems broken, unless it applies oddly to time spawn/claim nms.

And no Ocelot Trousers =\, man I hope blue !! is solved soon.

[Byrthnoth]

Blue is hard for a lot of reasons. Here is a list of all the reported Blue !!s from this thread (I've noted the ones that were reported >2 times:
Heavy Shot x2 - Fusion only
Evisceration x2 - Gravitation / Transfixion
Tachi: Yukikaze - Induration / Reverbration
Sidewinder x2 - Reverbration / Transfixion / Detonation
Guillotine - Induration only
Skullbreaker - Induration / Reverbration
Howling Fist x2 - Transfixion / Impaction
Blade: Ku - Gravitation / Transfixion
Arching Arrow x2 - Fusion only
True Strike - Detonation / Impaction
Savage Blade - Fragmentation / Scission
Vorpal Blade x2 - Scission only
Dragon Kick - Fragmentation only
Mistral Axe - Fusion only
Decimation - Fusion / Reverbration
Spinning Attack - Liquefaction / Impaction
Shadowstitch x2 - Reverbration only
Tachi: Kasha - Fusion / Compression
Vorpal Thrust - Reverbration / Transfixion
Cross Reaper - Distortion only
.... Lucky Lulush's Foot kick? - ... lol, god I hope not


Solid, definite:
Tachi: Gekko - Distortion / Reverbration
Asuran Fists - Gravitation
Dancing Edge - Scission / Detonation
Spinning Slash - Fragmentation only
Shark Bite - Fragmentation only

Added skillchain properties to this list of reported Blue !! proccers if anyone feels like following up on it. All the lower level WSs reported have been from 1H weapons, but it isn't like I go around Keen Edging monsters on WAR. Thieves don't have anything better to do, which is my explanation for 4 dagger WSs being reported proccers. I don't know how the shit someone triggered with Skullbreaker, but kudos to them if it's true. Foot Kick was reported by (if memory serves) Nynja, who can perhaps add a "sureness" level to that. Seems like (even going by some kind of elemental day theory) we'd really have our work cut out for us. There are just so many physical WSs.

[Yugl]

True Strike (Club WS) on the Colibri NM at Mis Coast.

Is there any delay between WSs when doing these? In other words, would I be able to do all 13 WSs at once at the start (To avoid TP/Spells) and receive the trigger?

[Arkabix]

Is there a list of BLU spells that can trigger yet? Since we're generally able to trigger off BLM with NIN or BRD being less frequent, it would seem that the number of BLU spells that can trigger is relatively small compared to BLM, so it would seem only a few of the BLU spells can activate. From this thread the only ones I've picked out so far seem to be:

Death Ray
Firespit
Magnetite cloud
Regurgitation
Cold Wave

Heat Breath also may be a trigger. Of the ones listed the only one I've seen trigger is Death Ray. I'm going to guess that only 1 or 2 of each element can trigger, giving BLU at most 6 spells at any one time that will trigger which would seem to fit with how often we can't seem to get grello !!.

[Byrthnoth]

Add True Strike on the Colibri NM at Mis Coast.

Is there any delay between WSs when doing these? In other words, would I be able to do all 13 WSs at once at the start (To avoid TP/Spells) and receive the trigger?

I've seen no evidence that any delay is needed. However, Nynja reported that it's impossible to trigger Blue !! during Terror from Red !! (which means it's likely impossible to trigger Grellow !! during Terror).

[Holyman]

This is the reason that I don't think there's a correlation between WS skillchain properties and day. Light/Dark would have to include all the skillchain that can lead to light/dark to match Kirschy's data. Also, we would predict that Gekko can only proc on Dark/Ice/Watersday.

Gekko - Distortion/Reverbration (Ice/Water)
Kasha - Fusion/Compression (Light/Fire/Dark)
Spinning Slash - Fragmentation only (Wind/Lightning)
Dancing Edge - Scission/Detonation (Earth/Wind)
Shark Bite - Fragmentation only (Wind/Lightning)

Definitely It still fits in with element of day/after/before theory , even for Gekko on Lightsday since it has Distortion which is part of the Darkness skillchain , but there are just too many WSs to start with lol

[Holyman]

Is there a list of BLU spells that can trigger yet? Since we're generally able to trigger off BLM with NIN or BRD being less frequent, it would seem that the number of BLU spells that can trigger is relatively small compared to BLM, so it would seem only a few of the BLU spells can activate. From this thread the only ones I've picked out so far seem to be:

Death Ray
Firespit
Magnetite cloud
Regurgitation
Cold Wave

Heat Breath also may be a trigger. Of the ones listed the only one I've seen trigger is Death Ray. I'm going to guess that only 1 or 2 of each element can trigger, giving BLU at most 6 spells at any one time that will trigger which would seem to fit with how often we can't seem to get grello !!.

This is compiled list of all BLU magical spells , I don't think the new spells post 75 can proc but I just have it for completion.

Firesday: Firespit, Heat Breath, Self-Destruct, Lowing, Blastbomb, Bomb toss, Sound blast, Blazing bound.
Earthsday: Sandspin, Filamented Hold, Magnetite Cloud, Cimicine Discharge, Bad Breath.
Watersday: Cursed Sphere, Poison Breath, Venom shell, Maelstrom, Awful Eye, Corrosive Ooze, Regurgitation, Acrid stream, Demoralizing Roar.
Windsday:Chaotic Eye, Mysterious Light, Stinking Gas, Frightful Roar, Hecatomb Wave, Flying Hip Press, Feather Tickle, Voracious Trunk, Leafstorm, Auroral Drape.
Icesday: Ice Break, Cold Wave, Frost Breath, Infrasonics.
Lightningsday: Blitzstrahl, Temoral Shift, Mind Blast.
Lightsday: Blank Gaze, Light of Penance, Actinic Burst, Radiant Breath, Magic Hammer, Yawn, 1000 needles.
Darksday: Eyes on Me, Sporofic, Death Ray, Blood Drain, Digest, MP Drainkiss, Geist Wall, Blood Saber, Jettatura, Sandspray, Enervation, Osmosis.

[fredjanx]

edit: nvm, didn't see.

Weapon Type 	Weapon Skills
Club	                Seraph Strike
Dagger	        Cyclone, Energy Drain
Great Katana	Tachi: Jinpu, Tachi: Koki
Great Sword	Freezebite
Katana	        Blade: Ei
Polearm	        Raiden Thrust
Scythe	        Shadow of Death
Staff	         Sunburst, Earth Crusher
Sword	        Red Lotus Blade, Seraph Blade

[Khiinroye]

In case it wasn't mentioned before, the !! will not trigger during Glavoid's Blood Weapon. We had staggered him with red !! (didn't need more atma from him) so we tried again during BW, wihch didn't stagger him. Then, after BW, he could still be staggered. Not sure if that will apply to other NMs using their 2hrs, but just throwing that out there.

[Wolfshadow]

Is there a list of BLU spells that can trigger yet? Since we're generally able to trigger off BLM with NIN or BRD being less frequent, it would seem that the number of BLU spells that can trigger is relatively small compared to BLM, so it would seem only a few of the BLU spells can activate. From this thread the only ones I've picked out so far seem to be:

Death Ray
Firespit
Magnetite cloud
Regurgitation
Cold Wave

Heat Breath also may be a trigger. Of the ones listed the only one I've seen trigger is Death Ray. I'm going to guess that only 1 or 2 of each element can trigger, giving BLU at most 6 spells at any one time that will trigger which would seem to fit with how often we can't seem to get grello !!.

I've had mysterious light proc grellow.

[Vriska]

tell me about it ; did some manaburning in coast and i'm strongly in the belief that the martello cores were boosting magic attack somehow. Would get through the Tier3s, Tier4s, Tier5s, AM Is and the mob would be < 20%

I've had grellow proc on Freeze, but not yet on any of the other AM1. Anyone have it proc on the others?

Quake procced for us tonight.

[Amok]

Not a direct answer but somewhat related, I've had a blue !! proc from a WS that never went off. Blm pulled hate, the mob ran out of range and the WS never fired but TP was lost and it still showed !!

Was hoping ppl would follow up on this. I know asking "Can someone pls test this with ele WS?" is gonna prompt responses of "test it yourself", but... can someone pls test this? I don't have the means and it would be useful to know if we could try for atma without feeding any tp or taking any form of damage. I can imagine for a lot of groups there wouldn't be much difference, but there would for us.

[NynJa]

Is there a list of BLU spells that can trigger yet? Since we're generally able to trigger off BLM with NIN or BRD being less frequent, it would seem that the number of BLU spells that can trigger is relatively small compared to BLM, so it would seem only a few of the BLU spells can activate. From this thread the only ones I've picked out so far seem to be:

Death Ray
Firespit
Magnetite cloud
Regurgitation
Cold Wave
Mysterious Light (posted later from someone else)

This is interesting, unless its coincidental, there are no repeating elements here, of spells that are confirmed. I guess SE has limitation on their dickery and didnt say "ok every applicable blu spell works", due to set point limitation.

[Xera]

Definitely It still fits in with element of day/after/before theory , even for Gekko on Lightsday since it has Distortion which is part of the Darkness skillchain , but there are just too many WSs to start with lol

You're aware if you apply the day theory, then add in Darkness. Gekko covers all 8 days right?...

[itskguys]

Just hit Grellow w/ Thundaga III on thundersday on Es'Euvhi. Problem is it was the 2nd time i cast it in the fight and the first time it didn't proc grellow, NM didn't deaggro or go passive, day didnt change and the first time I'm sure it wasn't casting a spell or TP move. I have Screenshots but lack timestamp so they don't say much.

[Raffi_XI]

This is interesting, unless its coincidental, there are no repeating elements here, of spells that are confirmed. I guess SE has limitation on their dickery and didnt say "ok every applicable blu spell works", due to set point limitation.

Actually, SE didnt limit their dickery. I've had ice break, frost breath, cold wave all been procs for ice blu spells Wouldnt be so bad if there wasnt that whole 1 min wait for resetting spells, but oh well.

[Xera]

Just hit Grellow w/ Thundaga III on thundersday on Es'Euvhi. Problem is it was the 2nd time i cast it in the fight and the first time it didn't proc grellow, NM didn't deaggro or go passive, day didnt change and the first time I'm sure it wasn't casting a spell or TP move. I have Screenshots but lack timestamp so they don't say much.

Maybe the opening/closing motion when it changes "forms" counts as a !! cock block?