Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Massimo]

That's just hilariously sad if true. And it'd have to be time of claim, really, unless it just locks it to that WS once something's triggered.

[Byrthnoth]

So if you want a drop, you should fight NMs at night using a monk that bothered to skill Club and Staff? That's the only "one job can cover all bases" option that I see.

I actually know a Monk or two that would love to go Full Swing some crap, so they might be happy about this news.

[Devinry]

With the skill levels raised at 85, can NIN now use Y/G/K?

Edit: guess not.

[FailureMidgard]

So if you want a drop, you should fight NMs at night using a monk that bothered to skill Club and Staff? That's the only "one job can cover all bases" option that I see.

I actually know a Monk or two that would love to go Full Swing some crap, so they might be happy about this news.

No Hexa Strike, have to /war to get Judgment. I guess it's close though.

[NynJa]

Is that list complete like the 13 ele ws list?

Well, there is one thing that stood out, presuming this is true:

06:00-14:00 = dagger, polearm, bow, marksmanship = piercing
14:00-22:00 = axe, GAX, sword, scythe, katana, GKT = slashing
22:00-06:00 = H2H, club, staff = blunt

[Ocara]

While it's easy enough to see the pattern they were going for or based their data (?) on, it's also not a full list of ws that can proc. As i've reported before, I've had spinning attack proc blue (where I was the only melee on the mob and there is 0% chance any other ws went off or anyone was nearby). So the question would be, assuming that's actually correct, how low down the list (skill or level wise) can a ws trigger blue?

[Jeryhn]

Mictcorse in Tahrongi:
Red Trigger on Earth Crusher (Detonation/Impaction)
Blue Trigger on Shell Crusher (Detonation)
Both performed by the same Monk.

Got atma, Serpentes cuffs, two habits, and an angelstone. Still no nodowa.

Thought it was unusual that we'd get two weakness proc on the same mob, well within the same Vana'diel day, using the same weapon with similar skillchain properties. Was Darksday, Last Quarter Moon (60%).

EDIT: The corse also popped sometime at the beginning of Darksday. I suppose the Shell Crusher trigger matches the time in the chart above.

[aspekt]

6:00-14:00 - Piercing					
Bow	Sidewinder	Empyreal Arrow	Arching Arrow	Blast Arrow
Dagger	Shadowstitch	Viper Bite	Dancing Edge	Shark Bite		
Xbow	Slug Shot	Blast Shot	Detonator			
Polearm	Wheeling Thrust					
						
14:00-22:00 - Slashing					
Axe	Rampage	Mistral Axe	Decimation			
G.Axe	Full Break	Raging Rush	Steel Cyclone	Keen Edge		
G.Sword	Spinning Slash	Ground Strike				
GKT	Tachi: Yukikaze	Tachi: Gekko	Tachi: Kasha			
Katana	Blade: Ten	Blade: Ku				
Scythe	Spiral Hell					
Sword	Flat Blade	Vorpal Blade	Savage Blade			
						
22:00-6:00 - Blunt					
Club	Skullbreaker	True Strike	Judgment	Hexa Strike		
H2H	Howling Fist	Dragon Kick	Asuran Fists			
Staff	Black Halo	Heavy Swing	Shell Crusher	Full Swing	Spirit Taker	Retribution

added Arching and Blast Arrow

[Jeryhn]

Check the edit. I'm more than sure we didn't actually proc the weaknesses within the time window though, as it we were playing with it for quite a while trying to find different weaknesses. After we proc'd Blue, we went for a quick kill and it died between 11-12 Darksday according to my screenshot. That would suggest that the time of pop determines the Blue time weakness trigger.

I'm also pretty sure about the pop time, we were camping/killing it last night.

[Kilik]

Here's some logs from 10/14/2010 around 2am EST (just turned to Oct.14th from the 13th)

[02:07:38]Kilik starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Kilik.

[02:07:39]Mictlantecuhtli casts Drain.

[02:07:39]214 HP drained from Kilik.

[02:07:42]1 of Kilik's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:07:43]Kilik readies Tachi: Kasha.

[02:07:43]Your attack staggers the fiend!

[02:07:43]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

[02:07:45]Kilik casts Utsusemi: Ni.

[02:07:45]Kilik gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:07:45]Kilik uses Tachi: Kasha.

[02:07:45]Mictlantecuhtli recovers 0 HP.

Using the converter at www.lmxvii.net/timecalc this puts it at Darksday: 1108-10-26 18:12:55 in game. It was also claimed during the 14:00-22:00 window.

The following logs of Sedna fights are from 9/30/2010.

[22:50:37]Sedna uses Aqua Blast.

[22:50:37]Nagamaki takes 293 points of damage.

[22:50:38]Kilik is no longer silenced.

[22:50:39]Nagamaki readies Howling Fist.

[22:50:39]Your attack staggers the fiend!

[22:50:39]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

[22:50:39]Nickie casts Cure V.

[22:50:39]Pirujita recovers 1117 HP.

[22:50:40]Chucknoris misses Sedna.

This converts to Darksday: 1107-11-28 08:06:15 which is outside the 22:00-6:00.

[22:46:46](Draac) inc

This is when that Sedna was popped. This converts to Darksday: 1107-11-28 06:29:10 which is also outside the 22:00-6:00.

Not sure what else to look for as far as time goes since this is a force pop mob.

[Jeryhn]

It's outside the window, but also pretty close... Any chance the theory is correct, and just that we have the (slightly) wrong times?

[NynJa]

Howling fist's SC elements are Transfixion/Impaction, which seems to tie more to day of the week >.>
I'd disregard the Mict log since theres no telling when it popped.

Perhaps load up the Kirschy signal? She keeps a bunch of logs.

[Mafai]

this just in from the JPbutton.

Spoiler: show

for blue ws
6:00-14:00
Shadowstitch
Viper Bite
Dancing Edge
Shark Bite
Evisceration
Wheeling Thrust
Sidewinder
Empyreal Arrow
Slug Shot
Blast Shot
Detonator

14:00-22:00
Flat Blade
Vorpal Blade
Savage Blade
Spinning Slash
Ground Strike
Rampage
Mistral Axe
Decimation
Keen Edge
Raging Rush
Full Break
Steel Cyclone
Spiral Hell
Blade: Ten
Blade: KuTachi: Gekko
Tachi: Yukikaze
Tachi: Kasha

22:00-6:00
Howling Fist
Dragon Kick
Asuran Fists
Skullbreaker
True Strike
Judgment
Hexa Strike
Black Halo
Heavy Swing
Shell Crusher
Full Swing
Spirit Taker
Retribution

06:00-14:00 = dagger, polearm, bow, marksmanship
14:00-22:00 = axe, sword, scythe, katana, GKT
22:00-06:00 = H2H, club, staff

courtesy of elien@cerb for taking time to write it in lschat.

I found a cool program that can check every file in a directory for a certain string.
http://www.baremetalsoft.com/baregrep/index.php

So I used this to lookup blue !! to verify the theory/time posted.

Then I used the time calculator I made @ http://www.lmxvii.net/timecalc

Rerisen_2010.09.23.log - Lightsday: 1107-06-01 15:50:00
Lord Varney - 06:00-14:00 - dagger - maybe pulled before 14?
[21:14:00]Heruman readies Shark Bite.
[21:14:00]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

Rerisen_2010.09.23.log - Earthsday: 1107-05-10 03:05:00
Bukhis - Meets H2H timeline 22:00-06:00 = H2H, club, staff
[00:33:48]Nagamaki readies Howling Fist.
[00:33:48]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

Rerisen_2010.09.29.log - Lightningday: 1107-11-02 16:40:50
Div-e Sepid - Meets GKT timeline 14:00-22:00 = axe, sword, scythe, katana, GKT
[22:13:38]Kilik readies Tachi: Gekko.
[22:13:39]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.
I will add to this that we were camping it this night while killing imps.

Rerisen_2010.09.29.log - Earthsday: 1107-10-12 00:55:50
Ironclad Executioner - Outside Axe time 14:00-22:00 = axe, sword, scythe, katana, GKT - pulled before 22?
[02:23:50]Big readies Decimation.
[02:23:50]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.
[02:24:30]NurseryNazuna defeats the Ironclad Executioner.

Rerisen_2010.10.09.log - Lightsday: 1108-07-11 00:17:30
Berstuk - Meets H2H timeline 22:00-06:00 = H2H, club, staff
[20:36:42]Uichan readies Asuran Fists.
[20:36:43]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.
[20:45:40]Way defeats Berstuk. - this was the only mob that was defeated in my log nearby outside my alliance, I recall killing pop item droppers while another group killed the NM.

Rerisen_2010.10.09.log
Berstuk (same fight as above) - Meets H2H timeline 22:00-06:00 = H2H, club, staff
[20:37:44]Uichan readies Asuran Fists.
[20:37:45]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

Synergy_2010.10.13.log - Lightningday: 1108-10-24 02:12:55
Blazing Eruca - Meets H2H timeline 22:00-06:00 = H2H, club, staff
[23:34:07]Chucknoris readies Dragon Kick.
[23:34:08]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

Rerisen_2010.09.13.log - Darksday: 1106-08-30 19:49:35
Pascerpot - Meets scythe timeline 14:00-22:00 = axe, sword, scythe, katana,
[01:13:59]Nagamaki readies Spinning Slash.
[01:13:59]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

Synergy_2010.10.19.log - Watersday: 1109-03-23 18:51:15
Nehebkau - Meets GKT timeline 14:00-22:00 = axe, sword, scythe, katana, GKT
[23:16:27]Nanchanss readies Tachi: Gekko.
[23:16:27]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

[Jeryhn]

Well... that's some pretty damn good evidence.

Wonder if radar programs can be updated to reveal how long a mob has been up...

[NynJa]

Could you post which mobs these are? Still have to determine if its based on pop or on claim for blue.

[Loan]

If it's by time claimed, they could of spent a while trying to get the weakness..

[Mafai]

edited with mob names above

[Kilik]

On one of our Sedna's we had Asuran Fists trigger Blue at Lightsday: 1107-11-27 03:18:45 and Tachi: Koki trigger Red at Lightsday 1107-11-27 11:28:45. Asuran is Gravitation/Liquefaction and Koki is Reverberation/Impaction. If you go by the SC elements wouldnt that cover Dark, Earth, Fire, Water, and Thunder elements?

[Thorny]

Went through logs, all fit the proposed theory from JPButton(granted I only had 6).

[Holyman]

On one of our Sedna's we had Asuran Fists trigger Blue at Lightsday: 1107-11-27 03:18:45 and Tachi: Koki trigger Red at Lightsday 1107-11-27 11:28:45. Asuran is Gravitation/Liquefaction and Koki is Reverberation/Impaction. If you go by the SC elements wouldnt that cover Dark, Earth, Fire, Water, and Thunder elements?

Day before is Lightningsday (Impaction) , Day after is Darksday (Gravitation one of 2 to make Darkness + Reverberation is one of 4 to make Darkness) , Lightsday (Liquefaction is one of 4 for Light :D) , idk lol