Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[aspekt]

proc'd blue !! with kasha on corse nm in tahrongi. kasha was my first action on it and it was staggered- neck drop~

You remember the time?

[Massimo]

Kasha as well, 17:00~, fits with theory again. Subligar dorp this time.

[Auburn]

Blue !! proc with savage blade on Lusca claimed around 21 on watersday.

[fredjanx]

Has it been proven that blue !! actually increases drop rates?

[Auburn]

Well it dropped the Mercy Stroke dagger, but then again it can without blue. I've gotten plenty of AF3 accessories without blue procs across many NMs. Though I do remember people having crazy drop rates on Bullwhip belts using blue proc everytime.

[NynJa]

add Ice Break to the list of blu spells

[ronin sparthos]

Has it been proven that blue !! actually increases drop rates?

It increases the likelihood of getting the full pool or at the least the tricky drops like JSE in Vision zones.

It's basically like Treasure Hunter from the times ive seen it proc'd on mobs like Kukulkan and Mangy-Tailed Marvin.

[NynJa]

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5...1021001344.png
Iceday, you be the judge. I think it was seraph...no one was really able to decide


another pop, clearly Thundersday, was definately Energy Drain.

[Batboy267]

Bad news about current blue procing theory. Weapon skills with skill lower then 75 can proc blue.

Took down Chukwa from Abyssea - Tahrongi (Lightningday) and the blue proc was Heavy swing (the very first staff skill you get) (level 5) And before you ask I tryed every other staff weapon skill before I tryed Heavy swing.

Here is the srceen shot so you know this is true:
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...HeavySwing.jpg

Drops here:
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...swingdrops.jpg

[NynJa]

Did it fit into the timing scheme?

[Thorny]

Bad news about current blue procing theory. Weapon skills with skill lower then 75 can proc blue.

Took down Chukwa from Abyssea - Tahrongi (Lightningday) and the blue proc was Heavy swing (the very first staff skill you get) (level 5) And before you ask I tryed every other staff weapon skill before I tryed Heavy swing.

Are you retarded? The list we were given included Heavy Swing.

[Kirschy]

Pulled Ovni at a good time, and tried all blunt WS listed but none of them were able to proc !!. List seems incomplete since I think we tried every physical h2h/staff/club (except the 300 skill ones). Possible PUP ws or avatar BP on there =/

[chazzyphizzle]

maybe bst WS too lol, what with that fucking lucky lulush report

[Fievel]

Are you retarded? The list we were given included Heavy Swing.

Based on his post I really doubt he even read a single thing in this thread, lol

Pulled Ovni at a good time, and tried all blunt WS listed but none of them were able to proc !!. List seems incomplete since I think we tried every physical h2h/staff/club (except the 300 skill ones). Possible PUP ws or avatar BP on there =/

Possible at all that one or two went off while mob was using ability? I'm sure you were watching for that but it's worth asking Because that sucks

[Kirschy]

Possible at all that one or two went off while mob was using ability? I'm sure you were watching for that but it's worth asking Because that sucks

Yea re-did any WS that were iffy. =(

[Thorny]

did you bring a whm for hexa strike? Again, might be a dumb question but someone posted earlier that MNK can hit all of them(and they can't use that).

[Kirschy]

did you bring a whm for hexa strike? Again, might be a dumb question but someone posted earlier that MNK can hit all of them(and they can't use that).

Yea, we had him do it twice cause he did the first during Invincible, and I recall someone saying that Glavoid's Blood Weapon prevented a re-proc on a known !!.

[Thorny]

Just did a couple lacovies, first was popped at 4:35 and did not proc despite using all blunt WS on list, like Kirschy's report. I did not try the lower tier weaponskills for h2h that were unlisted, not sure why, I should have. Second was popped at 22:30 and triggered on retribution, dropped belt/galea(and hachimaki but 100% etc).

[Masamune]

Weakness is determined every time it goes passive: when it spawns, and then changes when it goes passive. This is why there were anomalies to my original model, but they were all from freespawn mobs.

There is no correlation between iceday and seraph blade, but its irrelevant, because Fistule could have been sitting unclaimed for god knows how long.

There is actually one correlation, but ONLY if theory says weakness STAYS same throughout the fight and is determined on CLAIM: Seraph Blade has a scission property while Fistule was claimed on Windday.
This example proves the 2nd hypothesis is false (weakness changes depending on current day - Seraph Blade proc'd during Iceday).
On other hand, i don't know how this example fits or not with 3rd hypothesis saying it's the elemental property of the WS that is involved in the pattern, instead of SC property ? (Light for Seraph Blade).

Which hypothesis is the correct one?

Also, want to add something else regarding the Grellow "!!" proc'ing:
Did a few pops of LaTheine Liege (the fly), and proc'd grellow "!!" on almost all pops. We followed the day before/current/after elements theory, and for instance all pops were during windday, i as blm were in charge of wind spells while the 2 other nukers were in charge of Water and Thunder spells.
The problem is i thought if for example weakness chosen element is Wind, 1st spell of that element should proc, as long the spell has that element and isnot done during a casting or TPmove. i had to go through entire pool of Wind spells i have before proc'ing with Aeroga3.
Conclusion: weakness involves a specific spell (and not a specific element like i previously believed). Might be true also for the 2 other types of weakness.

[aspekt]

the list is incomplete for sure, i will keep reading the JP site and keep the list updated.

and here is the list

6:00-14:00 - Piercing					
Bow	Sidewinder	Empyreal Arrow	Arching Arrow	Blast Arrow
Dagger	Shadowstitch	Viper Bite	Dancing Edge	Shark Bite		
Xbow	Slug Shot	Blast Shot	Detonator			
Polearm	Wheeling Thrust	Impulse Drive			
						
14:00-22:00 - Slashing					
Axe	Rampage		Mistral Axe	Decimation			
G.Axe	Full Break	Raging Rush	Steel Cyclone	Keen Edge		
G.Sword	Spinning Slash	Ground Strike				
GKT	Tachi: Yukikaze	Tachi: Gekko	Tachi: Kasha			
Katana	Blade: Ten	Blade: Ku				
Scythe	Spiral Hell					
Sword	Flat Blade	Vorpal Blade	Savage Blade			
						
22:00-6:00 - Blunt					
Club	Skullbreaker	True Strike	Judgment	Hexa Strike	Black Halo		
H2H	Howling Fist	Dragon Kick	Asuran Fists			
Staff	Heavy Swing	Shell Crusher	Full Swing	Spirit Taker	Retribution

Some JP are saying it is 5 WS per weapon, idk if its true yet.