Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Darkmagi]

There is a pic on here with a rng triggering blue with the newish archery WS, so can add that I suppose.

[Thorny]

Tested a few things this game night, Tsuko had Khalamari claimed(like 16:00 or earlier) and deaggroed it intentionally at 22:15. I claimed at 22:20, procced with Howling Fist(one of the last ws tried). Deaggro/reclaim resets WS. Killed asap, rushed to Lacovie. Popped at 5:50, procced with Judgment at like 9:30. Time changing doesn't change WS.

Got another galea/belt off of the Lacovie(seperate from one mentioned earlier), only Varangian Helm on Khalamari.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Obligatory, "fuck Khalamari". Weakness triggered, TH6, and no neck.

._.;

[solanis]

Obligatory, "fuck Khalamari". Weakness triggered, TH6, and no neck.

._.;

still? are you 0/50 now or something?

[aspekt]

Raging fist and spinning attack is being report by jp.

Edit: skewer and heavy shot
Edit2: cross reaper

[Auburn]

Didn't see it on the list but we've had plenty of !! with Evisceration.

[arus2001]

Pulled Ovni at a good time, and tried all blunt WS listed but none of them were able to proc !!. List seems incomplete since I think we tried every physical h2h/staff/club (except the 300 skill ones). Possible PUP ws or avatar BP on there =/

Not to revisit the whole Failure/Nynja argument, but are you certain on when it spawned? I know some insist it's tied exclusively to claim, but I'm more of the opinion the code's nested somewhere in the change of states between Dead/Respawn and Active/Passive where I consider Dead and Active the same, Dead's just HP at 0%, invisible, unmoving, etc.. Difference between Respawn and Passive being one starts at full health while the other would gradually regenerate if it needed to. Otherwise, both go to their wandering/aggro'able state and can later be manipulated by players.

Easiest way to debunk this would be to find a free spawn NM that spawned during slashing time, but wait until blunt to claim. If blunt WS don't trigger it, go back to slashing and see if they do the trick. If inclined, reset it then and see if it adjusts to the current time of reclaim. Popped NMs won't work for the initial test since I put them in the Dead/Respawn category with their aggro time cut to instant (instead of the few seconds a newly popped mob may wander before you can act).

[fredjanx]

6:00-14:00 - Piercing					
Bow	Sidewinder	Empyreal Arrow	Arching Arrow	Blast Arrow
Dagger	Shadowstitch	Viper Bite	Dancing Edge	Shark Bite  Evisceration		
Xbow	Slug Shot	Blast Shot      Heavy Shot	Detonator			
Polearm	Skewer          Wheeling Thrust Impulse Drive			
						
14:00-22:00 - Slashing					
Axe	Rampage		Mistral Axe	Decimation			
G.Axe	Full Break	Raging Rush	Steel Cyclone	Keen Edge		
G.Sword	Spinning Slash	Ground Strike				
GKT	Tachi: Yukikaze	Tachi: Gekko	Tachi: Kasha			
Katana	Blade: Ten	Blade: Ku				
Scythe	Cross Reaper    Spiral Hell					
Sword	Flat Blade	Vorpal Blade	Savage Blade			
						
22:00-6:00 - Blunt					
Club	Skullbreaker	True Strike	Judgment	Hexa Strike	Black Halo		
H2H	Raging Fists    Spinning Attack Howling Fist	Dragon Kick	Asuran Fists			
Staff	Heavy Swing	Shell Crusher	Full Swing	Spirit Taker	Retribution

I've personally seen Cross Reaper land !! on Eve.
edit: gdi, had a whoosh moment.

[NynJa]

70?

Biggest category is slashing with 7, 7x5 = 35.

[aspekt]

Evis does land. They post it but I thought I already have it. Sorry.

[darkreign]

6:00-14:00 - Piercing					
Bow	Sidewinder	Empyreal Arrow	Arching Arrow	Blast Arrow
Dagger	Shadowstitch	Viper Bite	Dancing Edge	Shark Bite  Evisceration		
Xbow	Slug Shot	Blast Shot      Heavy Shot	Detonator			
Polearm	Skewer          Wheeling Thrust Impulse Drive			
						
14:00-22:00 - Slashing					
Axe	Rampage		Mistral Axe	Decimation			
G.Axe	Full Break	Raging Rush	Steel Cyclone	Keen Edge		
G.Sword	Spinning Slash	Ground Strike				
GKT	Tachi: Yukikaze	Tachi: Gekko	Tachi: Kasha			
Katana	Blade: Ten	Blade: Ku				
Scythe	Cross Reaper    Spiral Hell					
Sword	Flat Blade	Vorpal Blade	Savage Blade			
						
22:00-6:00 - Blunt					
Club	Skullbreaker	True Strike	Judgment	Hexa Strike	Black Halo		
H2H	Raging Fists    Spinning Attack Howling Fist	Dragon Kick	Asuran Fists			
Staff	Heavy Swing	Shell Crusher	Full Swing	Spirit Taker	Retribution

I've personally seen Cross Reaper land !! on Eve.
edit: 5 WS per weapon? good luck doing 70 WS before the NM dies >_>;

Thats 16 piercing, 19 slashing, 15 blunt not 35.

Granted these are the only one.

[aspekt]

Thats 16 piercing, 19 slashing, 15 blunt not 35.

Granted these are the only one.

70?

Biggest category is slashing with 7, 7x5 = 35.

If you have been reading, we are going off with the assumption that each weapon has 5 WS that can proc !!

[Tsuko_Asura]

Not to revisit the whole Failure/Nynja argument, but are you certain on when it spawned? I know some insist it's tied exclusively to claim, but I'm more of the opinion the code's nested somewhere in the change of states between Dead/Respawn and Active/Passive where I consider Dead and Active the same, Dead's just HP at 0%, invisible, unmoving, etc.. Difference between Respawn and Passive being one starts at full health while the other would gradually regenerate if it needed to. Otherwise, both go to their wandering/aggro'able state and can later be manipulated by players.

Easiest way to debunk this would be to find a free spawn NM that spawned during slashing time, but wait until blunt to claim. If blunt WS don't trigger it, go back to slashing and see if they do the trick. If inclined, reset it then and see if it adjusts to the current time of reclaim. Popped NMs won't work for the initial test since I put them in the Dead/Respawn category with their aggro time cut to instant (instead of the few seconds a newly popped mob may wander before you can act).

Same page debunked your debunking. I claimed Khalamari when it spawned well before the H2H/Staff/Club phase, and deaggroed it when that window arrived. Worked as expected.

[arus2001]

Same page debunked your debunking. I claimed Khalamari when it spawned well before the H2H/Staff/Club phase, and deaggroed it when that window arrived. Worked as expected.

Your deaggro would've reset it under my assumption of the mechanic, anyway. Point was to not touch it until a phase shift just to guarantee it's literally on claim and not set on a change in active/passive state.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'm not sure I understand the point of your assertion, then. The system is so easily controlled with our current understanding, why complicate it when we have nothing to gain from doing so?

[Sorantia]

Has it been proven that blue !! actually increases drop rates?

We did blue !! on Mangy Tailed Marvin, and it dropped Orison Mantle.

[aspekt]

We did blue !! on Mangy Tailed Marvin, and it dropped Orison Mantle.

remember what the time was and what proced it?

[Sorantia]

remember what the time was and what proced it?

I'll go through my log and see what I can find. Won't be able to give you vana'diel time and elemental day (unless you can convert it) but can get you Ws.

[21:11:12]Suirieko uses Sneak Attack.
[21:11:12]Wadrix hits Mangy-tailed Marvin for 38 points of damage.
[21:11:12]Wadrix hits Mangy-tailed Marvin for 35 points of damage.
[21:11:13]Suirieko readies Evisceration.
[21:11:13]Your attack staggers the fiend!
[21:11:13]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.
[21:11:13]Wadrix starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Wadrix.
[21:11:13]Orlysang casts Blizzard III.
[21:11:13]Mangy-tailed Marvin takes 473 points of damage.
[21:11:14]Morningbliss starts casting Haste on Brothabrew.
[21:11:14]Mangy-tailed Marvin misses Brothabrew.
~Later~
[21:11:35]Myev defeats Mangy-tailed Marvin.
[21:11:35]yYou find an adler ring
 on Mangy-tailed Marvin.
[21:11:35]yYou find an orison cape
 on Mangy-tailed Marvin.
[21:11:35]yYou find a Marvin's pelage
 on Mangy-tailed Marvin.

[Chewzer]

I'll go through my log and see what I can find. Won't be able to give you vana'diel time and elemental day (unless you can convert it) but can get you Ws.

If you can tell me what Earth day this was and what time zone you're in, I can convert it.

[Sorantia]

If you can tell me what Earth day this was and what time zone you're in, I can convert it.

10/4/2010, Eastern Time.