Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[miokomioko]

Those are all "elemental" except for: Energy Drain, Energy Steal, Spirits Within, Sanguine Blade, Starlight, Moonlight, and Spirit Taker.

MP-restore ones have been mentioned, but the others deal magic or special class of damage that is not magic or physical, based on % calculations.

[Salmijr]

Got a green !! on a Meanderer T1 VNM in Abyssea-Koschtat witth thunder III.

[vinelle]

So we now know that if you want to obtain Atma you must use Elemental (Magical) WS on the targeted NM to get it Terrorized with RED !! on its head.

The one Atma I've received was on Megamaw Mikey. We had no melee engaged, therefore no weaponskills of any kind. Nobody noticed any !! either, but that could easily have been missed.

[Uubu]

So we now know that if you want to obtain Atma you must use Elemental (Magical) WS on the targeted NM to get it Terrorized with RED !! on its head.

Here's the list of elemental WSes (I couldn't find the list anywhere - update if I missed any):

Dagger
40	Gust Slash	2x wind damage (100 TP). Damage varies with TP.
125	Cyclone		Area 2x wind DMG. (Ex THF / RDM / BRD / RNG / NIN)
290	Aeolian Edge	Delivers an area attack that deals wind elemental damage. Damage increases with TP. 

Sword
30	Burning Blade	1.5 fire elemental damage. Damage varies with TP.
50	Red Lotus Blade	2x fire DMG. Varies w / TP. (Ex WAR / PLD / DRK)
100	Shining Blade	1.5 light elemental damage. Damage varies with TP.
125	Seraph Blade	2x light DGM. Varies with TP. (Ex WAR / PLD / DRK)

Great Sword
70	Frostbite	Deals ice elemental damage. Damage varies w / TP.
100	Freezebite	1.5 ice damage (100 TP). (Ex WAR / PLD / DRK)

Scythe
40	Dark Harvest	Deals dark elemental damage.
70	Shadow of Death	1.5 dark elemental damage. (Ex WAR / DRK)
300	Infernal Scythe	Deals Darkness elemental damage and lowers target's attack. Duration of effect varies with TP (Ex WAR / DRK)

Polearm
30	Thunder Thrust	1.5 thunder damage (100 TP). Damage varies w / TP.
70	Raiden Thrust	2x thunder damage. (Ex WAR / PLD / DRG)

Katana
70	Blade:Teki	1.5 water elemental damage.
100	Blade:To	1.5 ice elemental damage.
150	Blade:Chi	2 hits at 1.5 earth elemental damage.
175	Blade:Ei	1.5 dark elemental damage.
290	Blade: Yu	Delivers water elemental Damage. Additional effect: Poison. Duration of effect varies with TP.

Great Katana
70	Tachi: Goten	1.5 thunder elemental damage.
100	Tachi: Kagero	1.5 fire elemental damage.
150	Tachi: Jinpu	2 hits at 1.5 wind elemental damage.
175	Tachi: Koki	1.5 light elemental damage.
200	Tachi: Yukikaze	Ice DMG & blind, ignores enemy DEF. (Ex SAM)

Club
10	Shining Strike	1.5 light damage (100 TP). Damage varies with TP.
40	Seraph Strike	2x light DMG. (Ex WAR / WHM / PLD / DRK / SAM)
290	Flash Nova	Delivers light elemental damage. Additional effect: Flash. Chance of effect varies with TP. (Ex WAR / WHM / PLD / DRK / SAM)


Staff
40	Rock Crusher	2x earth damage (100 TP). Damage varies with TP.
70	Earth Crusher	Area earth damage. (Ex WAR / MNK / WHM / PLD)
100	Star Burst	Deals either light or dark damage. DMG varies w / TP.
150	Sun Burst	Deals light or dark DMG. (Ex WAR / MNK / WHM / PLD)
290	Catalysm	Delivers an area attack that deals darkness elemental damage. Damage varies with TP. 

Archery
10	Flaming Arrow	2x fire DMG (100 TP). DMG varies with TP. (Ex RNG)

Marksmanship
10	Hot Shot	2x fire DMG (100 TP). DMG varies with TP. (Ex RNG)

Pretty sure its been discussed if a ws can double attack its not elemental, so yukizake is off the list. Highest damage ele ws's that I can see are Primal Rend and True Flight with the right gear, possible sanguine blade if it counts.

edit: Infernal Scythe possible too but not much testing done if the damage can get up to 500-1k range

[urat]

A friend of mine confirmed Dancing Edge, Shark Bite, and Eviscration all have on different occasions giving exclamation marks form khalamari. And up above I read Energy Drain did it as well.

Interesting how the NM that drops dnc neck has a large pool of dagger triggers...

[Shadida]

I'm almost positive I double-attacked some Tachi: Kokis while working on Keitonotachi. I think that "elemental WS can't double-attack" thing is a myth. Jinpu can double-attack too, I'm pretty sure. Both count for amber light so they're both elemental WS.

[diasetsu]

Those are all "elemental" except for: Energy Drain, Energy Steal, Spirits Within, Sanguine Blade, Starlight, Moonlight, and Spirit Taker.

MP-restore ones have been mentioned, but the others deal magic or special class of damage that is not magic or physical, based on % calculations.

2 different people stated in this thread that "energy drain" gave red !!s. I'd assume any Magical WS gives red. Spirit damage is magical damage btw. I'd assume all the WSs you listed still count towards giving red !!.

[Onorgul]

I'm almost positive I double-attacked some Tachi: Kokis while working on Keitonotachi. I think that "elemental WS can't double-attack" thing is a myth. Jinpu can double-attack too, I'm pretty sure. Both count for amber light so they're both elemental WS.

Are you sure? I know for certain that Blade: To gives Ruby light (and can be subject to Double Attack), though that doesn't necessarily mean it won't give a red !! against an NM. The whole thing seems a little bit confused, as is typical of SE.

[Clave]

WS that are elemental but not magical in nature can still double attack.

[huckster]

http://hitczykit.com/atma_khalamari.jpg

we used about 15 different elemental WSes before that.

the lucky one was "Tachi: Jinpu" - that caused red !! and Terror.

We TPed on normal mobs and WSed on the NM. We did some "normal" WSes after the "!!" - nothing bad happened.

[Phraust]

Elemental Weapon skills state plainly "Deals _____ elemental damage blah blah blah..." If it doesn't say that in the description it's not elemental no mater how elemental it looks.

Infernal Scythe says "Deals Darkness elemental damage, damage varies with TP." Or something.

[urat]

I'm pretty sure magical weaponskills are al lthe ones that are anything but white for ability type in the list.

It may be that the first hit of a magical weaponskill is the magic hit, and the rest are normal, therefor if you kill a mob with a multi hit magic ws and the first hit was death shot, then its amber light, if it was the second that finished it off its ruby.

That's what I'm leaning towards, I can't really tell because all my non physical weaponskills are confirmed magic, except shadowstitch I'm not sure on, but I'm pretty sure thats magic too

[Priran]

I'm pretty sure magical weaponskills are al lthe ones that are anything but white for ability type in the list.

Nope.

[lolwut]

I'm pretty sure magical weaponskills are al lthe ones that are anything but white for ability type in the list.

It may be that the first hit of a magical weaponskill is the magic hit, and the rest are normal, therefor if you kill a mob with a multi hit magic ws and the first hit was death shot, then its amber light, if it was the second that finished it off its ruby.

That's what I'm leaning towards, I can't really tell because all my non physical weaponskills are confirmed magic, except shadowstitch I'm not sure on, but I'm pretty sure thats magic too

I have no idea where you come up with this stuff.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Additional information regarding Khalamari, had Dancing Edge trigger blue !! 2-3 times, then stop, with no noticeable effect on behavior or loot. Cyclone triggered red !!, and caused a pretty lengthy terror every time it was used. Granted, we didn't realize Cyclone did so until the last few minutes of the fight, so it may have stopped working eventually, but it lasted all 2-3 times that we could test.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Also, 0/29 as of this morning. Fuck my life.

[NynJa]

do you use bmn?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Don't recognize that abbreviation >.>

[NynJa]

blinkmenot

[Tsuko_Asura]

Not since <stal>

Regardless, skillchains never end up blinking out for me, and I did a DE without gear-swapping after I noticed the !!'s stopped to check, but no dice. And again, as far as the Cyclone red !!'s went, it was about ~7% when I noticed it was happening, so by the time I got through 3 or so of them he was dead. That terror is fucking awesome though <.<

Oh, and all of them gave me Fanatic's Tonic, even if I went an entire fight without a weakness notice. I got Atma once as well, but I'm not positive which WS gave it to me(I want to say Cyclone).