Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Amok]

Got a Red!! on Itzapoplotl with Seraph Blade. Was popped around 14:00-16:00 on firesday I believe.

Edit: posted cus it would be nice to find a pattern if it's there to narrow it down.

[Niusha]

Got a Red!! on Itzapoplotl with Seraph Blade. Was popped around 14:00-16:00 on firesday I believe.

Edit: posted cus it would be nice to find a pattern if it's there to narrow it down.

red !! are random among the 13 possible ones i think is the consensus. i personally haven't seen any pattern, unlike with blue and yellow flags.

[Arcien]

Can you get blue !! if you do 0 damage (not on tp move or casting)? ie WS-ing on Mictl NM that has full HP.

Thanks

[Masamune]

Ithink i understood that upon popping/claiming a NM, the NM sets automatically 3 weaknesses:
* 1 Elemental WS for the Red !! (unknown pattern, gotta try all 13)
* 1 Physical WS for the Blue !! (depending on morning/afternoon/night time of claim/pop)
* 1 spell for the Grellow !! (depending on element of before/current/next day of claim/pop)

What i'm wondering now is:
Hypothesis A: Does NM picks those 3 specific WSs/Spell only from what Main Jobs are available in the claiming/poping alliance/party ?
or
Hypothesis B: NM can pick a Phys/Ele WS and spell that is NOT available from Main Jobs in the claiming/poping alliance/party ?
and/or
Hypothesis C: NM can pick a Phys/Ele WS and spell that is available from Sub Jobs in the claiming/poping alliance/party ?

Only best situations coming to my mind for testing A & B would be duoing/soloing poeple, and for C, any ninjutsu from /nin can trigger ?

[Byrthnoth]

First, I don't think there's a pattern to the Red !! WSs. If SE only limits Blue !! down to 15 different weaponskills based on time of pop, we're lucky to only have to do 13 for Red !!.

Weaknesses are chosen at random regardless of what jobs you have there, or I'd be able to force them all the time when I solo things on RDM/NIN, and I can't. Soloing Tier 1 VNMs, I only managed to force three Grellow !!s when cycling through all the available spells that matched the appropriate elements.

[aspekt]

Ithink i understood that upon popping/claiming a NM, the NM sets automatically 3 weaknesses:
* 1 Elemental WS for the Red !! (unknown pattern, gotta try all 13)
* 1 Physical WS for the Blue !! (depending on morning/afternoon/night time of claim/pop)
* 1 spell for the Grellow !! (depending on element of before/current/next day of claim/pop)

What i'm wondering now is:
Hypothesis A: Does NM picks those 3 specific WSs/Spell only from what Main Jobs are available in the claiming/poping alliance/party ?
or
Hypothesis B: NM can pick a Phys/Ele WS and spell that is NOT available from Main Jobs in the claiming/poping alliance/party ?
and/or
Hypothesis C: NM can pick a Phys/Ele WS and spell that is available from Sub Jobs in the claiming/poping alliance/party ?

Only best situations coming to my mind for testing A & B would be duoing/soloing poeple, and for C, any ninjutsu from /nin can trigger ?

I highly dont think there is one, i have been lowmaning some key items, very constantly i have to swap back from War and Nin in order to get the red to proc, as for grellow, our blm cycle through everything as well as whm and my ninjutsu was nothing until blu came in later.

First, I don't think there's a pattern to the Red !! WSs. If SE only limits Blue !! down to 15 different weaponskills based on time of pop, we're lucky to only have to do 13 for Red !!.

not to mention the *24* for procing grellow. and its been mentioned before, you only need 2 people on red, while you need more then 2 pn blue depends on day.

have there being any solid SS to proof the 8 spells per per day theory i got from the JP site that its wrong?

edit: i still think its meer coincidence that we got back to back blade: ei proc on 2 different mob last night in like 3 min apart.

[Yugl]

First, I don't think there's a pattern to the Red !! WSs. If SE only limits Blue !! down to 15 different weaponskills based on time of pop, we're lucky to only have to do 13 for Red !!.

Weaknesses are chosen at random regardless of what jobs you have there, or I'd be able to force them all the time when I solo things on RDM/NIN, and I can't. Soloing Tier 1 VNMs, I only managed to force three Grellow !!s when cycling through all the available spells that matched the appropriate elements.

We don't have enough information to make claims about how far the limitations are for any of the elements. Thus far, it has primarily been recording the NM-Day-Spell configuration. By our records, we probably couldn't (Or simply didn't) have figured out the blue !! pattern. We're really back at square 1 with a whole new set of stuff to test.

[Hanyoko]

If SE has any code in place to limit grellow down to what the party has they are looking at spells the character knows and not what can currently cast due to job.
I've had a few pops where it it was an AM or Tier 5 nuke. The blm wasnt in party at time of pop but the spells needed were known by multiple characters in the party.

[Raen Ryong]

Can you get blue !! if you do 0 damage (not on tp move or casting)? ie WS-ing on Mictl NM that has full HP.

Thanks

I'm going to make the assumption that this is possible, as there have been reports of green !!s proc'ing from resisted enfeebles.

[wop]

nvm didn't read last few pages

[Raen Ryong]

Posted~

[Kilik]

Can you get blue !! if you do 0 damage (not on tp move or casting)? ie WS-ing on Mictl NM that has full HP.

Thanks

[02:07:43]Kilik readies Tachi: Kasha.

[02:07:43]Your attack staggers the fiend!

[02:07:43]The fiend is unable to use special attacks.

[02:07:45]Kilik casts Utsusemi: Ni.

[02:07:45]Kilik gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:07:45]Kilik uses Tachi: Kasha.

[02:07:45]Mictlantecuhtli recovers 0 HP.

[Velecic]

Proc'd Grellow about 6-7 times last night farming head seals on NM, tested and confirmed that twice it was Ice Break from BLU. no spells proc'd outside the listed 8. Ninjutsu once, nukes the rest of the time (was water>wind>iceday during fights)

Nice to have a list for BLU to set, got us some extra seals!

[Tortalius]

Where is this list of 8 spells per element?

[aspekt]

red !! are random among the 13 possible ones i think is the consensus. i personally haven't seen any pattern, unlike with blue and yellow flags.

I'm going to make the assumption that this is possible, as there have been reports of green !!s proc'ing from resisted enfeebles.

Proc'd Grellow about 6-7 times last night farming head seals on NM, tested and confirmed that twice it was Ice Break from BLU. no spells proc'd outside the listed 8. Ninjutsu once, nukes the rest of the time (was water>wind>iceday during fights)

Nice to have a list for BLU to set, got us some extra seals!

looks like that jp listed helped a lot, whoever say there was a jp website out there, i like to thank you,

ill keep follow the website and translate them as soon as its out.

[Imoq]

Where is this list of 8 spells per element?

Few pages back this same thread?

[Tortalius]

thanks. I must have missed it while sorting through the thread.

[aspekt]

i like to propose a new thread on Abyssea Weaknesses, all the information now seem pretty solid. i think a new page with everything we have so far would be nice, and only need to post when we have soemthing that can disproof the theory we have.

[Velecic]

^ Second this. if someone needs a basic template, here's one you can tweak that I'm using atm:

Attempting to proc a !! while stunned from a Red !! will not work
Attempting to proc !! while the monster is stunned using a TP move/Casting will not work
Attempting to proc !! on a stunned monster that was only auto attacking (sans iron giant attacks) WILL work


GRELLOW (DAY BEFORE + CURRENT DAY + DAY AFTER) :

Lightsday: Holy, Banish 2, Banish 3, Banishga 2, Flash, Dark Threnody, Radiant Breath, 1000 Needles
Darksday: Bio 2, Aspir, Dispel , Drain, Kurayami:Ni, Light Threnody, Death Ray, Eyes On Me
Firesday: Fire 3, Fire 4, Firaga 3, Flare, Katon:Ni, Ice Threnody, Heat Breath, Firespit
Earthsday: Stone 3, Stone 4, Stonega 3, Quake, Doton:Ni, Lightning Threnody, Magnetite Cloud, Seedspray
Watersday: Water 3, Water 4, Waterga 3, Flood, Suiton:Ni, Fire Threnody, Maelstrom, Regurgitation
Windsday: Aero 3, Aero 4, Aeroga 3, Tornado, Huton:Ni, Earth Threnody, Hecatomb Wave, Mysterious Light
Icesday: Blizzard 3, Blizzard 4, Blizzaga 3, Freeze, Hyoton:Ni, Wind Threnody, Frost Breath, Ice Break
Lightningsday: Thuder 3, Thunder 4, Thundaga 3, Burst, Raiton:Ni, Water Threnody, Mind blast, Blitzstrahl


BLUE (RARE ITEM DROP):

6:00-14:00 - Piercing
Dagger: Shadowstitch(70), Dancing Edge(200), Shark Bite(225), Evisceration(230)
Polearm: Skewer(200), Wheeling Thrust(225), Impulse Drive(240)
Archery: Sidewinder(175), Blast Arrow(200), Arching Arrow(225), Empyreal Arrow(250)
Crossbow: Slug Shot(175), Blast Shot(200), Heavy Shot(225), Detonator(250)

14:00-22:00 - Slashing
Sword: Vorpal Blade(200), Swift Blade(225), Savage Blade(240)
G.sword: Spinning Slash(225), Ground Strike(250)
Axe: Mistral Axe(225), Decimation(240)
G.axe: Full Break(225), Steel Cyclone(240)
Scythe: Cross Reaper (225), Spiral Hell(240)
Katana: Blade: Ten(225), Blade: Ku(250)
G.katana: Tachi: Gekko(225), Tachi: Kasha(250)

22:00-6:00 - Blunt
H2h: Raging Fists(125), Spinning Attack(150), Howling Fist(200), Dragon Kick(225), Asuran Fists(250)
Club: Skullbreaker(150), True Strike(175), Judgement(200), Hexa Strike(220), Black Halo(230)
Staff: Heavy Swing(5), Shell Crusher(175), Full Swing(200), Spirit Taker(215), Retribution(230)

RED (ATMA / KEY ITEM DROP):

Dagger : Cyclone / Energy Drain
Sword : Red Lotus Blade / Seraph Blade
Great Sword : Freezebite
Scythe : Shadow of Death
Polearm : Raiden Thrust
Katana : Blade: Ei
Great Katana : Tachi: Jinpu / Tachi: Koki
Club : Seraph Strike
Staff : Earth Crusher / Sunburst

[orson]

There's no reason for a new thread just need to update the OP and BG Wiki on the main Abyssea page.