Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Fievel]

100% random

You have got to change that god damn avatar

[Worlace]

What? I've HPed and come back and gotten atma (I did it for Atma of the Cosmos 2 days ago...went and switched to monk to try to proc blue after we procced red, re-entered on monk, got atma). It's not the first time I or others have done it...I rarely even bother asking for a D2 in abyssea, homepointing is just faster and less effort...

He died and went back and I know he hit because he got the killshot with a nuke. The only thing I can see possible is when it went random yellow (pretty sure it was the war disengaging) he wasn't there when it was "reclaimed" but we didn't retrigger red.

[FailureMidgard]

He died and went back and I know he hit because he got the killshot with a nuke. The only thing I can see possible is when it went random yellow (pretty sure it was the war disengaging) he wasn't there when it was "reclaimed" but we didn't retrigger red.

No idea what happened for you, but:

[20:46:48]Failure readies Cyclone.
[20:46:48]Your attack staggers the fiend!
[20:46:48]The fiend is frozen in its tracks.
[20:53:37]Failure was defeated by the Iratham.
[20:53:55]=== Area: Port Jeuno ===
[20:54:27]=== Area: Port Jeuno ===
[20:55:30]=== Area: Tahrongi Canyon ===
[20:55:59]=== Area: Abyssea - Tahrongi ===
[21:08:03]Failure gains 5500 limit points.
[21:08:03]Failure obtained 1500 cruor.
[21:08:03]Failure's body emits a faint pearlescent light!
[21:08:03]Failure obtained the key item: Atma of the Cosmos
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I'm not gonna go look through logs for other times, but I'm sure we've had people homepoint and do that, and I'm fairly certain I've done it 2 other times (generally to switch to TH, or back before Scars to leech exp on a subjob, this time it was to try to proc blue). There are bugs in this game, and they come up quite often (azure light from melee kills, 5f Zhayolm frog not popping when all conditions are met, 2 bosses in 1 Ein chamber and 0 in another, Losing visitant status but not getting zoned out and having a permanent flee drink, plus tons more that I'm too lazy to list), and I'd be more inclined to believe he didn't get it 'cause of that (or is dumb and already had the atma).

[Guitarman]

100% sure you lose your red trigger when it goes yellow. happened to us with briareus and hadyahosh or w/e the behemoth is called.

[Worlace]

I'm not gonna go look through logs for other times, but I'm sure we've had people homepoint and do that, and I'm fairly certain I've done it 2 other times (generally to switch to TH, or back before Scars to leech exp on a subjob, this time it was to try to proc blue). There are bugs in this game, and they come up quite often (azure light from melee kills, 5f Zhayolm frog not popping when all conditions are met, 2 bosses in 1 Ein chamber and 0 in another, Losing visitant status but not getting zoned out and having a permanent flee drink, plus tons more that I'm too lazy to list), and I'd be more inclined to believe he didn't get it 'cause of that (or is dumb and already had the atma).

Only thing I can say is it declaiming and having to reclaim it because I didn't get it on a mule that I had to HP and I know I don't have it because its our first time fighting it (no he wasn't dead, out of exp range, etc). That's the only logical reason it could be besides a bug. In any case that proves leaving the zone at all and getting atma works.

[Worlace]

100% sure you lose your red trigger when it goes yellow. happened to us with briareus and hadyahosh or w/e the behemoth is called.

We didn't proc red again so go figure, I got the atma on my main and others did as well.

[FailureMidgard]

100% sure you lose your red trigger when it goes yellow. happened to us with briareus and hadyahosh or w/e the behemoth is called.

Hmm? Going yellow and staying aggressive doesn't matter (in fact, that Iratham went yellow also, killed person with last action on it). Going passive however does require a re-proc.

Only thing I can say is it declaiming and having to reclaim it because I didn't get it on a mule that I had to HP and I know I don't have it because its our first time fighting it (no he wasn't dead, out of exp range, etc). That's the only logical reason it could be besides a bug. In any case that proves leaving the zone at all and getting atma works

See what I said above...did it actually go passive, or just killed person with last action and went yellow? Because the latter shouldn't matter.

[Byrthnoth]

How successful have people been forcing Grellow using the 24 spells?

[Worlace]

Hmm? Going yellow and staying aggressive doesn't matter (in fact, that Iratham went yellow also, killed person with last action on it). Going passive however does require a re-proc.

See what I said above...did it actually go passive, or just killed person with last action and went yellow? Because the latter shouldn't matter.

To be honest I'm not sure, we were trying to recover from Berserker's Bane spam killing half of us so it got a little hectic (granted only 5 real people if you don't count mules leeching atma or proc'ing red). I was following it around on a mule and the RNG died (I think being the last person to do an action on it) after shadowbinding it and running around a rock with it and it went yellow, then it stood there casting thundaga4 on somebody else after changing to yellow. So no it didn't go passive.

Edit: that was horrible grammar

[FailureMidgard]

How successful have people been forcing Grellow using the 24 spells?

Seeing as it left off Helices which can all proc it (K, I've only personally seen like 6 I think proc it, but w/e), it's still missing stuff for sure. Also thought aga-2s could proc it, but not sure on that one. Fairly certain we've had Stoneja proc too.

[Mercilessturtle]

How successful have people been forcing Grellow using the 24 spells?

Haven't tested it very much, but we brought a blu and blm for ~20 or so kills the other day and got grellow every time going by the list. Makes triggering it actually worth doing since you can get it before they die.

[Guitarman]

Hmm? Going yellow and staying aggressive doesn't matter (in fact, that Iratham went yellow also, killed person with last action on it). Going passive however does require a re-proc.

really? that's odd. people were still alive around these two, and some people never died so they had to have had hate on it still. Maybe a small glitch and it went passive briefly? Odd.

[Worlace]

really? that's odd. people were still alive around these two, and some people never died so they had to have had hate on it still. Maybe a small glitch and it went passive briefly? Odd.

If anyone on the hate list engages and disengages it causes the mob to go yellow but it will still be aggressive towards any person on the hate list.

[Kirschy]

Although it isn't directly related, wanted to add to what Failure said in that we had an LS member claim a Timed NM, die, HP, come back, and still get the Key Item.

[Anomander]

Seeing as it left off Helices which can all proc it (K, I've only personally seen like 6 I think proc it, but w/e), it's still missing stuff for sure. Also thought aga-2s could proc it, but not sure on that one. Fairly certain we've had Stoneja proc too.

On the stoneja thing, I think casting that counts as stonega III, sort of like freeze 2 = freeze, dia III = dia II etc. Personally never seen helix proc but thought that they could as well, and almost positive ga 2's work.

[Bladefury]

Popped 6 Cirein-Croins (sp? - Orobon), Kukulkan, and Itzpapalotl last night and each was able to proc grellow with the current list. There was one odd item however, Banishga proc'd, but not Banishga 2, on one of the Orobons.

[Auburn]

Popped Durinn last night on darksday and spammed every spell on the list for those 3 elements the entire fight and nothing proc'd. I made sure everybody cast their spells 10x over to ensure that nobody got caught during a tp move or spell.

[FailureMidgard]

On the stoneja thing, I think casting that counts as stonega III, sort of like freeze 2 = freeze, dia III = dia II etc. Personally never seen helix proc but thought that they could as well, and almost positive ga 2's work.

I thought that was a false rumor that has since been debunked.

Popped Durinn last night on darksday and spammed every spell on the list for those 3 elements the entire fight and nothing proc'd. I made sure everybody cast their spells 10x over to ensure that nobody got caught during a tp move or spell.

Probably was a helix, I'm certain they can proc grellow and that list is not complete because of them. The -aga2 and -ja spells I thought could, like I said, but it's possible I'm mistaken there.

[Auburn]

Probably was a helix, I'm certain they can proc grellow and that list is not complete because of them. The -aga2 and -ja spells I thought could, like I said, but it's possible I'm mistaken there.

That's pretty lame. And since there's a helix for every element it seems that it's time to add a fulltime SCH to the mix.

Also, nobody has ever gotten a grellow proc from DRK absorbs, right? Someone in my LS had mentioned something along those lines but I've never seen it.

[Pergo]

that grello list seems pretty accurate, but it's definitely not 100%. i've had no problems with grello up until tonight. i just fought itzpapalotl on firesdays (popped on fires). we had blm/nin/rdm/brd and blu use all the spells on the list ... and nothing. (all spells were using at the appropriate times).