Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Hanyoko]

On a semi related note. While messing around in SilverSea Rem. i found that i could Break/Petrify Long-Armed Chariot. So I was casting it during brainjack phase for science! It seemed to extend/hold the timer for the phase. Stun might do something similar for the purposes of procing !!.

[NynJa]

I think the best thing about discernment abyssite is that they message will only load up if you successfully land/cast your spell, if its mistimed (mob TPing or casting) the message from the abyssite wont load.

[Byrthnoth]

I think the best thing about discernment abyssite is that they message will only load up if you successfully land/cast your spell, if its mistimed (mob TPing or casting) the message from the abyssite wont load.

I'm not sure about this. I thought so too initially, but I've landed weaponskills on Shinryu that healed him and gave a discernment message. Also, it's only somewhere between a 33 and 50% proc rate even if you land at a "legit" time I think.

[NynJa]

From our limited tested in the Shinryu fight, ele ws reported earth element, which is only one possibility, but was mistimed 4x before it landed...and none of those timed it gave the message. Would obv be better to test this out on a controlled mob.

[Massimo]

[02:18:28]Shinryu starts casting Aeroga IV.
[02:18:28]Akatora readies Ukko's Fury.
[02:18:29]The fiend appears vulnerable to sword weapon skills!
[02:18:33]Akatora uses Ukko's Fury.
[02:18:33]Shinryu recovers 4363 HP.

It doesn't have to properly land.

[NynJa]

Presuming you use spellcast and no BMN, your WS usage line could show up slightly later than it actually does, and seeing as how they were both at 02:18:28, I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss it. Does anyone else who partook in that fight have the same order on spell/WS usage as you?

nvm, just noticed it recovered HP too on yours. Was going thru mine and found this:

[03:38:23]Shinryu starts casting Burst.
[03:38:23]Nynja readies Evisceration.
[03:38:23]The fiend appears vulnerable to hand-to-hand weapon skills!
[03:38:23]Shinryu casts Burst.
[03:38:23]Nynja takes 0 points of damage.
[03:38:23]Nynja hits Shinryu for 51 points of damage.
[03:38:25]Nynja uses Evisceration.
[03:38:25]Shinryu takes 4475 points of damage.

[Massimo]

You saw the WS healing it.. it obviously wouldn't have triggered if it had been a trigger WS.

[Massimo]

[19:16:38]Shinryu readies Cataclysmic Vortex.
[19:16:39]Akatora readies Ukko's Fury.
[19:16:39]The fiend appears vulnerable to archery weapon skills!
[19:16:44]Akatora uses Ukko's Fury.
[19:16:44]Shinryu recovers 4327 HP.

If you're still unsure. Found a bunch of them in the log though. It doesn't have to land.

[Jeryhn]

I think the best thing about discernment abyssite is that they message will only load up if you successfully land/cast your spell, if its mistimed (mob TPing or casting) the message from the abyssite wont load.

This is incorrect.

On our Shinryu runs, we would have someone use elemental WS purposefully during one of its spells or TP moves to find the weakness using Discernment so we could figure out Red and set it up for when we wanted to zerg or brew it down.

[NynJa]

Just going by what I saw...and what happened with my groups experiences. Fight where I was supposed to brew, I cycloned, it said weak to earth, and this is all from that fight:

[03:27:42]Shinryu readies Cosmic Breath.
[03:27:43]Uubu readies Earth Crusher.
[03:27:44]Uubu hits Shinryu for 11 points of damage.
[03:27:44]Uubu uses Earth Crusher.
[03:27:44]Shinryu takes 76 points of damage.
[03:27:45]Sklar casts Flash.
[03:27:45]Shinryu is blinded.

[03:28:41]Uubu readies Earth Crusher.
[03:28:41]Uubu is paralyzed.
[03:28:41]Flux casts Cure V.
[03:28:41]Uubu recovers 1017 HP.
[03:28:42]Flux starts casting Haste on Flux.
[03:28:42]Sklar starts casting Cure V on Uubu.
[03:28:42]Nynja uses a bottle of stalwart's gambir.
[03:28:43]Varos is paralyzed.
[03:28:43]Uubu uses Earth Crusher.
[03:28:43]Shinryu takes 11 points of damage.

[03:29:04]Uubu readies Earth Crusher.
[03:29:05]Uubu hits Shinryu.
[03:29:05]Shinryu recovers 100 hit points!
[03:29:05]Varos readies Earth Crusher.
[03:29:06]Shinryu hits Uubu for 0 points of damage.
[03:29:06]Uubu uses Earth Crusher.
[03:29:06]Shinryu takes 34 points of damage.
[03:29:06]Varos uses Earth Crusher.
[03:29:06]Shinryu takes 83 points of damage.

[03:29:21]Uubu readies Earth Crusher.
[03:29:23]Sklar starts casting Cure V on Flux.
[03:29:23]Uubu uses Earth Crusher.
[03:29:23]Shinryu takes 21 points of damage.

[03:36:18]Uubu readies Earth Crusher.
[03:36:18]Uubu scores a critical hit!
[03:36:18]Shinryu takes 79 points of damage.
[03:36:18]Flux is drawn in!
[03:36:18]Uubu's Sekkanoki effect wears off.
[03:36:18]Your attack staggers the fiend!

You gonna tell me those 4 ws's, which all failed to proc red when it should have, also happened to have failed to register a weakness message?

[Foldypaws]

As a comment from the peanut gallery, what if the correct WS doesn't give a message when it fails to proc, and the others do?

[Zeb]

Just going by what I saw...and what happened with my groups experiences. Fight where I was supposed to brew, I cycloned, it said weak to earth, and this is all from that fight:

You gonna tell me those 4 ws's, which all failed to proc red when it should have, also happened to have failed to register a weakness message?

Yes, being as the messages are not a 100% proc.

[Byrthnoth]

I have yet to proc a discernment message with a weaponskill that ends up proccing !!. That said, I don't make a habit of WSing during TP moves and spellcasting.

[Jeryhn]

You gonna tell me those 4 ws's, which all failed to proc red when it should have, also happened to have failed to register a weakness message?

Yes, suck less, etc.

On one particular Shinryu we did, our THF used Cyclone during a TP move and got a wind elemental WS message.
He did Cyclone again and got the trigger later.

[Deader2818]

I know this has been talked about somewhat before but I think maybe the hours for Blue procing are off by an hour.

After getting discernment, we noticed when we claimed between 22-23, it would still say axe, great katana, etc, and then when ever we claimed between 6-7, it was always a blunt WS it was asking for.

I remember reading before that maybe they just over lapped, and this was just a small sample size but im pretty sure its blunt 23-7, piercing 7-15 and slashing 15-23.

Sorry if this has been talked about before, and I prob missed people saying that got blunt procs between 22-23 so maybe im wrong but thought it might be worth discussing.

[Alkimi]

We've done a lot of Shinryu fights entering just a few seconds after 6:00, deliberately to be during piercing time and it always has been. Never seen it be blunt at all, but maybe they can overlap.

[AzazaelFenrir]

I know this has been talked about somewhat before but I think maybe the hours for Blue procing are off by an hour.

After getting discernment, we noticed when we claimed between 22-23, it would still say axe, great katana, etc, and then when ever we claimed between 6-7, it was always a blunt WS it was asking for.

I remember reading before that maybe they just over lapped, and this was just a small sample size but im pretty sure its blunt 23-7, piercing 7-15 and slashing 15-23.

Sorry if this has been talked about before, and I prob missed people saying that got blunt procs between 22-23 so maybe im wrong but thought it might be worth discussing.

I would go with overlap. We popped 3 Hadhayosh's last night all between 22 and 23 and on all of them blunt procced. Though all 3 procs gave us shit drops ><

[Anomander]

I would go with overlap. We popped 3 Hadhayosh's last night all between 22 and 23 and on all of them blunt procced. Though all 3 procs gave us shit drops ><

To back this up, anything we have ever done between 22 and 23 (and its a lot) has always been blunt. However, we have also had things between 6-7 that were blunt. We claimed a shinryuu around 6:40 once (party member's battlefield entrance thing didn't spawn so he had to rezone) and it was club.

[Pergo]

to comment on the discernment message... I know this doesn't count for several situations, but I've noticed a potential trend that discernment message cannot proc for multiple people at the same time. for instance, when i'm trying to find 'red' message, and we have others spamming for grello messages, i rarely get the message. when i try for 'red' message when no one is casting or ws'ing on it, i almost always get it (there are still sometimes where i don't). but maybe there is also a limit to how many messages the server can send out at a time (per mob).

another question...i don't know if this is what people above are referring to, but we'd have "blue" message change for us on shinryu. it went from saying "polearm" to saying "axe". at no point did the shinryu go passive or anything.

[Massimo]

to comment on the discernment message... I know this doesn't count for several situations, but I've noticed a potential trend that discernment message cannot proc for multiple people at the same time. for instance, when i'm trying to find 'red' message, and we have others spamming for grello messages, i rarely get the message. when i try for 'red' message when no one is casting or ws'ing on it, i almost always get it (there are still sometimes where i don't). but maybe there is also a limit to how many messages the server can send out at a time (per mob).

We've had 3 people get the same message in a 1~2s timespam, so I realllly doubt anything like this is going on.

another question...i don't know if this is what people above are referring to, but we'd have "blue" message change for us on shinryu. it went from saying "polearm" to saying "axe". at no point did the shinryu go passive or anything.

No, you didn't. Sorry, but no.