Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[dem0nfr0g]

Dude... Nynja... You can't say: "Well, if you discount all of the data points that disprove my theory, then my theory is right!". Also, Thorny is right. Even if we disregard the fact that you just throw out data that doesn't fit your theory, your theory is crafted to always be right. If you include the day mob is claimed/being killed on, day before, day after, that days weakness AND strengths, well then ANY element will fit into your equation. That is retarded.

Am I coming up with some new theory? No. But keeping other people from considering something stupid and actually thinking about something else that may actually work is contributing.

Also, you realize that you sound dumb as a brick with all the "Be a good lil mercy, I'm so SMRT and ur not" stuff, right?

[deadpooled]

Skillchain Properties: Reverberation/Impaction
Impaction is a thunder based skillchain, and thunder is strong against earth.

The other two that seemed to "shoot down my theory":
Bio2 is a dark based spell, which is strong against light
Stone is an earth based spell, which is strong against wind.

Model holds up buddy. Go be a good little solder and do all the infantry work, let the smart people do the smart work.

confused???? cast thunder on earth and earth on wind???

[Xerlic]

Fought Mictlantecuhtli on Thunderday. Banish II caused yellow !!. Tried to cast it a second time, and did not get !!. Dropped 2 habits and the gloves.

[Xanthe]

Stone is an earth based spell, which is strong against wind.

You've got that backwards. Wind is strong against earth.

Light <> Dark
Earth > Thunder > Water > Fire > Ice > Wind > Earth

[ejiboo]

I got a blue !! from teir 2 VNM Brooder in Abyssea-La Theine from using Tachi: Kasha. it was late windsday. Y, G, Jinpu, Ageha, Evisceration, Dancing Edge, Aero 2, Water 2, random enfeebles, para, slow, blind did nothing.

After the blue !! he went from attacking like he was elegy'd and slow'd to hasted and an intense double attack. it got a little hairy because he was spamming TP moves almost back to back. either that was just low hp or the blue !!.

We were rewarded with both dorps and a color change.

[urat]

What we've got so far:

Khalamari:
Grellow !! - Bio
Grellow !! - Aero III
Grellow !! - Stutter(Stagger) Step
Grellow !! - Dispel
Blue !! - Heavy Shot
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko (twice)
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu
Red !! - Energy Drain (twice)
Red !! - Jinpu (twice)
Red !! - Cyclone
Red !! - Red Lotus Blade (Twice)

Mangy-tailed Marvin:
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu

Lugahroo:
Grellow !! - Bio II
Blue !! - Asuran Fists
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu

Bakka:
Blue !! - Heavy Shot

Chukwa:
Grellow !! - Blizzard III
Grellow !! - Freeze
Grellow !! - Aspir
Grellow !! - Flash
Grellow !! - Drain
Grellow !! - Holy

Cuelebre:
Grellow !! - Aspir
Grellow!! - Bio II (twice)
Grellow !! - Water III
Stun?

Pantagruel:
Blue !! - Evisceration

Brooder:
Grellow !! - Bio II
Grellow !! - Stone IV
Blue !! - Tachi: Kasha

Mictlentecuhtli:
Red !! - Seraph Blade
Grellow !! - Fire III (twice)
Grellow !! - Thunder III
Grellow !! - Banish II

Gancanagh:
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko (twice)

Grandgousier:
Grellow !! - Thunder III (This doesn't seem to follow pattern)

Yearner:
Grellow !! - Blizzard III

Mikey:
Red !! - Bio II (This doesn't seem to fit either)

Chasmic Hornet:
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko

Keesha opo-popo-ma-nopo-wopo
Grellow - Tachi: Yukikaze

Tefenet:
Red !! - Koki

Meanderer:
Grellow !! - Thunder III

Raskovnik:
Blue !! - Skullbreaker
Grellow !! - Aspir

Lachrymater:
Blue !! - Tachi Gekko


MY guess? Every NM has a pool of 6-8 weaponskills and spells it can have a weakness to, when it pops one of each of these is selected.

There also seems to be some kind of correlation between the monster's drops and whatnot and its weaknesses, IE Khalamari has a pool of weaponskills almost entirely of dagger and GK weaponskills.

...

On the other hand this could very well be because its drops are for dnc and sam, which means lots of dncs and sams are fighting khalamari.

Thus if the weakness is just straight up 100% random, then whenever it lands on a dagger/GK weaponskill it gets noticed, but when its any other its much less likely to be found simply because no one is there to proc it.

IE, someone said heavy shot gave a !! on Khalamari

[Clave]

GK and Dagger just happen to have a nice selection of elemental weapon skills. You're probably thinking too hard on this.

To add:

Red !! on Bakka with Koki and Kagero on 2 different kills, don't remember drops.
Red !! on Chukwa with Koki only once, Atma dropped.

[Kuishen]

Red !! on Khalamari, Blade: Ei. Got atma, was used twice, both times gave !!. Don't remember what day.

EDIT: On the 15th kill finally got my helmet. No sign of the necklace.

[Xera]

Blue !! Depths Digester, Howling Fist, dropped both things. My Brooder drop rate weeps.

[Minihex]

Seraph blade - Red !! on Khalamari resulted in Atma drop. Sorry don't remember game day of week

[Tsuko_Asura]

Not that I'm trying to bring progress to a halt, but do we really need to continue in the direction we're going? We know what kind of action triggers what kind of "!!". This is all becoming really redundant.

[urat]

Not that I'm trying to bring progress to a halt, but do we really need to continue in the direction we're going? We know what kind of action triggers what kind of "!!". This is all becoming really redundant.

Well at this point I'm trying to keep track of things for these NMs to see if its 100% random weaponskill from the entire pool of wses, or if its one of n, my guess is 8 knowing SEs boner for base 2.

If we can get it to the point where performing every weaponskill on a list of n will ALWAYS get the needed trigger then Id say we could confirm that its a pool of those weaponskills.

Khalamari so far is looking like it has the most progress. I have a good sam friend and a nin friend who like duoing it with me, if I can find someone who can use swords, maybe a blue or something, we'll try and repeatedly kill khalamari (not like we weren't planning on it already) and using the set of weaponskills we've found so far. If ever using them all still doesn't result in a !! then either the pool is bigger then we think or its 100% random.

Keep up the posting guys, we're getting closer and closer to figuring this thing out.

Also is it safe to say then that red !! = terror? Lets start looking for the effects of the !!s other than drops. Personally I'm guessing they all have a TH effect, one does terror, one does like a move lock or something, stops the mob from using its mega move, and the other does something else?

I dunno but I have noticed on some NMs activating a !! terrors them but right afterwards it makes them flip the fuck out, either getting a ridiculous haste or performing repeated back to back moves.

[Tsuko_Asura]

None of the terrors I inflicted upon Khalamari triggered any sort of pseudo-rage. Moreover, that'd be fifteen flavors of silly. Why implant a weakness that turns into a detriment five seconds later?

[urat]

None of the terrors I inflicted upon Khalamari triggered any sort of pseudo-rage. Moreover, that'd be fifteen flavors of silly. Why implant a weakness that turns into a detriment five seconds later?

Because said weakness would also give a TH effect, according to npc.

Thus by raging the monster you have a harder fight but getter better rewards for it.

The trick would then be to wait til the monster is almost dead before raging it, then quickly zerg it down while it's terrorized.

[Obsidian]

Didn't notice any positive or negative side effects from the blue !! on Depth Digestor from Howling Fist. Did it twice.

EDIT: Didn't affect mob behaviour anyway. Got both drops from it though.

[Gwynplaine]

Not that I'm trying to bring progress to a halt, but do we really need to continue in the direction we're going? We know what kind of action triggers what kind of "!!". This is all becoming really redundant.

Yeah it seems pretty straightforward how this stuff works now. The only weakness that seems to matter all that much is for mobs that drop Atma.

I guess if they want people can keep posting though to see if particular mobs might be more prone to a certain pool of weaknesses. My suspicion is it's all just random though.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Because said weakness would also give a TH effect, according to npc.

Thus by raging the monster you have a harder fight but getter better rewards for it.

The trick would then be to wait til the monster is almost dead before raging it, then quickly zerg it down while it's terrorized.

Well like I said, its never happened to me in the several times I've triggered it. Highly doubt this. Conversely, I've had Khalamari go into a streak of high accuracy and multiple back-to-back double attacks which, if I were paranoid, I could mistake for some manner of rage.

[Brhee]

Nyn still arguing with the phoenix fags like failure. lol. This is why I never visit this site because its infested with pretend know-it-alls like Failure who give shitty info on almost every topic or just troll (like im doing now) and try to talk down to people. While you were just trying to help the thread out and give possibilities of how it works.

Ask him how Dioma and them worked out.

Fucking idiot.

[urat]

Nyn still arguing with the phoenix fags like failure. lol. This is why I never visit this site because its infested with pretend know-it-alls like Failure who give shitty info on almost every topic or just troll (like im doing now) and try to talk down to people. While you were just trying to help the thread out and give possibilities of how it works.

Ask him how Dioma and them worked out.

Fucking idiot.

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[Gwynplaine]

What we've got so far:

Thanks for compiling that list. I had considered doing it multiple times but I just couldn't bring myself to do all the work.