DOTA 2: Thanks volvo

**Odon** · 2012-08-27 12:27

DK in charge of getting wombo-combo'd

**Odon** · 2012-08-27 12:44

Mouz in charge of throwing games.

**Gredival** · 2012-08-27 20:15

LGD 10-0 and Zenith rises from the ashes to snap CLG's winstreak.

**Gredival** · 2012-08-27 23:10

LGD otw to a perfect 14-0. Zenith recovers 6-0 to third in Group A. CLG goes 0-6 after 6-0. EG and CLG play for 4th seed in Group A.

Darer and mTw are lower bracket for sure, otherwise Group B is all up for grabs.

**Iku** · 2012-08-28 01:09

Originally Posted by Gredival

LGD otw to a perfect 14-0. Zenith recovers 6-0 to third in Group A. CLG goes 0-6 after 6-0. EG and CLG play for 4th seed in Group A.

Darer and mTw are lower bracket for sure, otherwise Group B is all up for grabs.

Zenith could have passed the groupstage if they didnt 0-2 against EG, which is a weaker team. Too bad, they are still shocked from the rape by LGD and DK.

**Gredival** · 2012-08-28 09:11

Originally Posted by Iku

Zenith could have passed the groupstage if they didnt 0-2 against EG, which is a weaker team. Too bad, they are still shocked from the rape by LGD and DK.

EG was like 6-1 against aL going into yesterday and dropped both matches. At this tournament no one's holding anything back, so upsets abound.

**Bweigelt** · 2012-08-28 14:21

Oh Tongfu, that clip is going to live on in infamy forever.

**Gredival** · 2012-08-28 14:32

LGD undefeated 14-0 and iG barely behind them with 13-1.

A Upper Bracket: LGD, DK, Zenith, EG
B Upper Bracket: iG, coL, Na'Vi, Orange

LGD will choose who they want between Orange and Na'Vi, and DK gets the other. iG chooses who they want between Zenith and EG while coL fights the other.

CLG went 0-8 and goes to Losers' Bracket after a 6-0 run on Day 1.

Naga Siren is the most banned hero atm, followed by Lycan and DarkSeer with Venomancer and Invoker seeing the most play.

**Vandole** · 2012-08-28 19:37

rubick isnt super banned? i'm surprised.

**synistar** · 2012-08-28 19:44

I saw morphling played in almost 75% of the games I watched. But any game with Naga was a walkover for anyone who picked her up for the most part.

**Gredival** · 2012-08-29 17:51

Originally Posted by Vandole

rubick isnt super banned? i'm surprised.

http://evilgeniuses.net/grand-theft-sorcery/

We’re only seeing so much Rubick play because he survives the ban phase. So this begs the question: if Rubick is so dangerous, why isn’t he being instant banned? Because despite some teams being very successful with him, he is generally not worthy of a first round ban.

One reason for this may be that while Rubick is adaptable, he is not literally “game-altering” in the same sense other instant bans are. Ultimately he only has access to whatever you yourself bring to the table; he does not introduce a “new element” into match — he simply makes something in the match bidirectional. Comparatively, popular first round ban Furion fundamentally alters the gameplay of the entire match by creating the element of global presence absent without him.

Second is that while Rubick’s skill-set is very solid, he lacks an escape mechanism (unless he steals one). Since Rubick is generally not played as a support and is squishy due to being a spellcaster, many teams have adopted the strategy of shutting him down early to prevent him from becoming a threat.

Last is that he suffers from a “jack of all trades but master of none” syndrome. While Rubick can clone abilities, that does not necessarily make him a suitable substitute. He cannot simply be picked up in the event of the other team taking the hero you intended to draft. Some heroes are only effective because of the entirety of their skillsets. For example, Rubick will never be effective as an Invoker substitute because he can only grab one spell and what makes Invoker deadly is his ability to chain different situational spells. Spell Steal is most effective used against heroes defined by powerhouse ults, such as Tidehunter, Brewmaster, and Enigma. This makes him more of a situational pick that does not need to be banned preemptively. Moreover, in those games where he is drafted, stealing ultimates or other high value skills don’t ensure success. At best, keeping careful track of what ability Rubick has stolen allows you to counter Rubick the same way they would counter the base hero. At worst, all Rubick can do is unleash a tool that you yourself have.

Rubick is undoubtedly a sound hero, but he just doesn’t inspire the type of fear that heroes such as Lycanthrope can. Teams seem to have settled on being willing to both bet on Rubick and their ability to overcome him. With this equilibrium in place, Rubick is unlikely to fade into irrelevancy or become a common first round ban, and is sure to be sighted in the competitive scene for months to come."

**Vandole** · 2012-09-02 04:56

My recent practice in fighting games boosted my apm high enough to where i can actually play invoker now, lol.

https://dotabuff.com/matches/37421596

**Neg939** · 2012-09-02 06:33

=

**Vandole** · 2012-09-02 21:20

**Neg939** · 2012-09-03 02:13

agreed

**Gredival** · 2012-09-03 05:05

Originally Posted by Vandole

Me. NS is even a top 3 for me.

**Vandole** · 2012-09-08 18:20

lockjaw get >:3

ilu ddz

**Gredival** · 2012-09-25 18:50

**Vandole** · 2012-10-07 19:01

HOW DO WE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM?

**BlackMoomba** · 2012-10-09 02:45

I dunno, add a roof to the box so they physically can't see, or can just run a tournament better (looking at you International 2). So glad I quit playing that game.

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