CFB 2010: The 4 conferences of the Apocalypse

[Moss]

LSU looked about as bad as last week minus the turnovers and huge plays given up. Finally able to generate some offense in the 2nd half, but Jordan Jefferson is still garbage. It sounds ridiculous but our only chance to beat anyone good will be with Jarrett Lee.

[Vade]

5 Turnovers and a missed chip shot FG in the first half...


A&M still wins 48-16. Yay special teams keeping the defense on the field. Defense saved the offense...kind of weird saying that considering the past 10 years.

[noblemountain]

I just saw Trent Richardson running up I-65 carrying 5 Penn State defenders. Someone tell him he can stop now.

[Bregor]

I just saw Trent Richardson running up I-65 carrying 5 Penn State defenders. Someone tell him he can stop now.

lol'd

Denard Robinson should be the Heisman favorite right now, fuck Locker and Kellen Moore.

[Diamicles]

lol'd

Denard Robinson should be the Heisman favorite right now, fuck Locker and Kellen Moore.

fuckin LOL at heisman talk after the second full week of the season.

[Bregor]

fuckin LOL at heisman talk after the second full week of the season.

Posted an hour ago on Rivals...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...rivals-1125977

[Arnwulf]

Referring to that article, and numerous other media reports, I don't understand how people say that Pryor is an elite QB and led OSU to victory after his terrible passing performance in the Miami game. If it wasn't for OSU's monster defense, that team would be in a LOT of trouble with TP having to win the games for them. I'm not saying he's bad, he's a tremendous athelete, but he's a very sub par QB.

[Headspace]

fuckin LOL at heisman talk after the second full week of the season.

I believe we're talking about giving Robinson the 2005 Heisman trophy.

[Arnwulf]

Heisman predictions at this time of year are insane. I hate speculating while only have 2 games full of evidence, Robinson has been great so far for us, but let's wait to see how the Big Ten schedule goes before we anoint him the winner. Obviously he's been the best player so far this season, but once again, 2 games.

[Diamicles]

Referring to that article, and numerous other media reports, I don't understand how people say that Pryor is an elite QB and led OSU to victory after his terrible passing performance in the Miami game. If it wasn't for OSU's monster defense, that team would be in a LOT of trouble with TP having to win the games for them. I'm not saying he's bad, he's a tremendous athelete, but he's a very sub par QB.

see Tim Tebow

I believe we're talking about giving Robinson the 2005 Heisman trophy.

valid argument

[Budonez]

I believe we're talking about giving Robinson the 2005 Heisman trophy.

Not till after the Michigan/Iowa game.

[Bregor]

fuckin LOL at heisman talk after the second full week of the season.

Heisman predictions at this time of year are insane. I hate speculating while only have 2 games full of evidence

Obviously there's a lot of football left to play. But I just think it's kind of fun to speculate on this stuff. Robinson has put up the most impressive performances that I've seen so far, followed by Marcus Lattimore. Once again this is based off the four to six games I watch on Saturdays, I'm not pretending to be an expert or anything.

And I totally agree on Pryor thus far, if you didn't already know he was supposed to be an elite QB and a Heisman candidate, you would have no clue based on his performance thus far.

[Drex]

see Tim Tebow

at the risk of sounding like a huge homer, tim tebow was an excellent quarterback, even when he was actually throwing the ball. way above pryor in just about every stat. i've never understood the hype around pryor. he seems slightly above-average at best as run/pass QBs go.

[Plow]

at the risk of sounding like a huge homer, tim tebow was an excellent quarterback, even when he was actually throwing the ball. way above pryor in just about every stat. i've never understood the hype around pryor. he seems slightly above-average at best as run/pass QBs go.

Tebow had remotely respectable passing stats because he could throw the ball 2 yards and get 50 yard td's out of it on a regular basis.

He made like 3 impressive throws his entire career.

Robinson is averaging 225 yards a game... RUSHING...

I think his heisman talk is pretty justified.

[Akiyama]

I think any heisman talk after games against UConn and Notre Dame (who, correct me if I'm wrong, but Tate Forcier ripped apart and now he's the third string) is laughable. Not to mention Robinson won't be running 25+ times a game.

[Plow]

I can see dismissing it as flukes and bad opponents and blah blah...

If he wasn't also averaging 215 yards, 1td, 0int passing.


Yeah, yeah we'll see how he does against Iowa, OSU, etc... but just think for a second about what you're saying.

"Oh, it's not reasonable at all to suggest someone's in the running for the heisman after 455 yard rushing, 430 yard passing, and 5 total touchdowns, with no turnovers, in 2 games."

Not to mention, this was a 5-7 team last year with a QB that could start for a lot of successful teams.

[Arnwulf]

This is from a Michigan blog that I visit, lists some distinct differences between Forcier last year and Robinson this year and reason for optimism:

Many people are comparing Denard and UM’s hot start of 2010 to Tate and UM’s hot start of 2009. Here are the goods:

Tate 2009

Like a grenade with the pin pulled, the UM fan base was ready to explode at the first sign of something good. Enter Tate Forcier. Tate, a freshman, came in and because his name wasn’t Sheridan or Threet, was already a better “fit” for RR and his offense. Throw in a win against Western Michigan, the first home opener win in 3 years, and the UM fan base and national media started to salivate. Next up, Notre Dame. Tate seemed unflappable in a thrilling win, which included Tate’s iconic cut back run. All these things added up to UM fans and the media needing to raise up somebody and who better than Tate. The QB at UM IS the notable position. Tate was winning(to that point). Tate was a QB. Tate was a freshman (and hey, no freshman has ever won the Heisman before, so why not Tate). And Tate had some good stats:

I’ll sum it up

Total through first 4 games:

54/87 671 yds 7 TDs 2 INT

40 carries 127 yds

Passing: 62% Completion Rate

Rushing: 3.2 YPC

Those stats coupled with a big, emotional win against Notre Dame and then starting 4-0, made for some pretty sweet tasting TATE = HEISMAN kool-aid or purple drink, if you prefer. And we drank it, and we loved it.

Then events transpired and we arrived at the 2010 football season with a lot of questions. QB? Bowl game? Transfers? Tacopants?

Enter Denard Robinson.

Now, when Tate was thrilling UM fans last year, it was good, but he wasn’t doing anything that hadn’t already been done before. We’ve had hot starts. We’ve had a freshman QB. We’ve had Heisman hopefuls. With Denard, we have something we’ve NEVER had. We’ve got a kid that in his first start, set the all-time UM total yards in a game record. And what did he do as an encore? Destroy that record and not worrying ‘bout stats. His game against Notre Dame, given the circumstances, is probably in the top 10 of ALL-TIME individual performances during the college football regular season.

Through the first 2 games, he has 885 total yards! The first two games! That ranks Denard 34th in the Nation in total yards just behind Stanford and in front of 87 other football teams including: Wisconsin, West Virginia, USC, Florida State, Washington and Texas, just to name a few.

The very fact that every time he touches the ball he has the ability to get into the end zone is amazing. The last player I could honestly say that about is Desmond. Hellooo Heisman.

Finally! Michigan has a truly special player that makes other fan bases cringe when they see Michigan on the schedule. Don’t get me wrong, 2009 Tate was good, but 2009 Tate wasn’t making any opposing fans nervous last year. You can’t say that about Denard.

[Akiyama]

Michigan's still an 8 win football team, 9 at best..but feel free to cheer, hoot, and holler for Denard Robinson. Just think about how stupid RichRod's gonna look after he continues to run the kid into the ground. Last I checked, but he's not built like a Vince Young or anything.. so taking all those punishing hits from actual defenses in the Big 10 may be an issue for him.

Am I saying he's not any good? Fuck no. Am I saying that you should at least chalk some of it up to his competition? Yes. Yes I am. Like I said.. Tate Forcier, the now third stringer.. shredded the same defense that Robinson did. Not to the same degree (Around 240 passing yards, 70 rushing yards), but still shredded it.

Let's wait til Michigan gets through the meat of his schedule.. maybe 3-4 more weeks, THEN talk about the Heisman. It's sort of like pre-season polls. Pre-season polls don't know what the fuck.

Also @above.. how can you live in Columbus, Ohio and be a Michigan fan?

[Arnwulf]

It's not easy, but since I'm not an asshole Michigan fan, I've survived, lol. Most of my family grew up in the Detroit area and we're all Michigan fans for the most part, so it was just natural for me.

Also, I agree with part of your statement, we definitely need to wait until Denard has gone up against stiffer defenses (Iowa, Wisconsin, and Ohio State mostly) and see how he can do then. He's going to have down games, he may even have a few minor injuries throughout games, but I do think RichRod knows what he's doing with him, and will not run him into the ground on purpose. I think 8 wins is a reasonable expectation this year, and if we get that, next year could be really special with all our returning starters, and our very, very favorable schedule. I'm trying not to get too excited though after what happened last year, just trying to take it one game at a time....

[Diamicles]

That's some nice stats...but I've seen a couple of very talented college quarterbacks roll through Columbia MO in the last decade set all kinds of records and put up gaudy numbers on teams that will be better than Michigan will be this year, and barely even get a sniff at the Heisman.

Yes, he's good, yes, he has put up some Pat White numbers in his first couple of games...but still unproven, and still too young to actually win the Heisman.