Starcraft Screenshot/Replays Thread

[GRT]

that's not an "odd" build lol, that's great gamers doing what they can to adapt to the situation

great game

[Falaras]

Yeah man it's completely normal to throw down 3 starports and pump vikings for 75% of the game.

[Syntex]

Yeah man it's completely normal to throw down 3 starports and pump vikings for 75% of the game.

I think it is when the thing that rapes terran the most is magic box muta's and he WAS going to go mutas but switched techs and took advantage of vikings not being good anywhere else.

When you get to those games you need like 10+ thor's to actually handle muta's and even then all they need to do is run away.

TLO did the right play but was too slow to change techs and NOT killing that hydra den cost him the game.

[Falaras]

I think it is when the thing that rapes terran the most is magic box muta's and he WAS going to go mutas but switched techs and took advantage of vikings not being good anywhere else.

When you get to those games you need like 10+ thor's to actually handle muta's and even then all they need to do is run away.

TLO did the right play but was too slow to change techs and NOT killing that hydra den cost him the game.

I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do, TLO knows better than me, I am saying it was an odd play. How often have you seen Helions + Vikings as the only units a player has? Vikings are meant for anti-air and harassment, it is odd play to land them and push with them on the ground.

Honestly while Vikings can handle Mutas, Mutas are cheaper and much easier to mass, most players would try to handle them with Marines and Thors with maybe a few vikings to complement them. Like I said, the build is just plain odd (And probably a little on the weak side considering how often do you see a TvZ where mass queen actually works)

[GRT]

it is odd play to land a unit that has a landing ability, lol

btw, vikings ground attack can match hydra pound for pound, that's why Diamaga went for queens instead

and hellion viking is a very popular build in TvZ in diamond, Diamaga's mass queen is the unorthodox counter here, not TLO, although Diamaga (and another zerg player) were the ones who invented the mass queen build during beta in the first place, which forced Blizz to nerf queens and make them stop attacking a bit after using transfusion

[Falaras]

it is odd play to land a unit that has a landing ability, lol

btw, vikings ground attack can match hydra pound for pound, that's why Diamaga went for queens instead

Seriously that's your arguement? Not only do vikings have to spend time landing but they also cost 50 more minerals 25 more gas than a hydra and have to be produced out of a high tech building. Yes its a fucking odd play to use landed vikings as an actual army and you're stupid to think otherwise.

[GRT]

once again, this came from someone who thinks hellion is a gimmicky unit

it is NORMAL for vikings to land after taking out a lot of air units, you would be a n00b to let them hang around in the air doing nothing, pro gamers know how to utilize them to their fullest potential

man, diamond league sure doesn't mean much about your skills it seems

[Falaras]

once again, this came from someone who thinks hellion is a gimmicky unit

it is NORMAL for vikings to land after taking out a lot of air units, you would be a n00b to let them hang around in the air doing nothing, pro gamers know how to utilize them to their fullest potential

man, diamond league sure doesn't mean much about your skills it seems

How often do you see a pro-player throw down 3 starports and pump vikings? Only in this one game? That's what I thought. Landing the few vikings you used to pick overlords off or stop that muta harass is different from throwing down 3 Starports and pumping vikings when there's nothing left in the air.

As far as Hellion goes, what do you use Hellions for 90% of the time? Harassing. Very rarely do you see players use Hellions in a normal unit mash up considering they pretty much suck unless fighting mass zerglings or hydralisk.

I guess being a random guy who thinks making armies out of vikings isn't normal doesn't say much for your skill.

[Syntex]

In all fairness because gas is the limiting factor here the vikings are cheaper.

Also every one of those overlords he sniped made the difference in mineral cost that the vikings are offset by and he can make 25% more on the same amount of gas then he can with mutas.

Viking/Hellion counters muta/ling but dimaga set up for that and countered a counter.

[GRT]

um, what's the most popular ZvT build on scrap? MUTALING! what's the best counter? HELLION VIKING! mind blown?

you don't see people use hellion in a normal unit mash up because you don't play zerg and are a n00b who don't know how effective it is against zerg and not do it yourself, hellion viking and hellion thor are my DEFAULT builds in TvZ, and i see it plenty against other T when i'm Z

also, TLO didn't throw down 3 starports and pump vikings, he threw down the 3rd one when he started to build BC... dude, i know you are a n00b as a player, but at least know what to look for when you observe, or you'll stay a n00b forever

[Falaras]

um, what's the most popular ZvT build on scrap? MUTALING! what's the best counter? HELLION VIKING! mind blown?

you don't see people use hellion in a normal unit mash up because you don't play zerg and are a n00b who don't know how effective it is against zerg and not do it yourself, hellion viking and hellion thor are my DEFAULT builds in TvZ, and i see it plenty against other T when i'm Z

also, TLO didn't throw down 3 starports and pump vikings, he threw down the 3rd one when he started to build BC... dude, i know you are a n00b as a player, but at least know what to look for when you observe, or you'll stay a n00b forever

You realize just how easy it is to overpower Helion Viking right? Helions are pretty much the weakest units you could ever find for the price and vikings don't even counter Mutalisks they just put up a decent fight. Nice though, keep calling me a "n00b" that really just shows how dumb you really are, especially for making this argument.

Now lets go look at the replays, because as you said he threw down the third when he started building BCs. Now the third starport goes down at around 8:02 and guess what add-on it has? A fucking reactor. Now maybe I'm just a "n00b that doesn't know how to observe" but last I checked you can't make BCs out of reactored starport. Now I think its worth mentioning that he doesn't even start producing BCs until six minutes after the third starport goes down, and its only two so the reactor stayed on his third. Maybe you should learn to observe, bro, because you seem to either confuse Starports with some other buildings or Battlecruisers with vikings.

[GRT]

um, that's because he already had 2 other lab from the start when he originally made 2 starport+lab to make banshees? lol, newsflash, you don't pump nothing but BCs when you transition to BCs, you pump BCs from 1 starport and support it with vikings from 2 others

or maybe you are just one of those FFA turtlers who pump nothing but BCs from 5 port+lab, makes sense

hellion is EASY TO TAKE DOWN? ROFL, ever heard of something called "micro"? I guess your inability to do that is the reason why you don't ever make them, understandable for a n00b

[Falaras]

um, that's because he already had 2 other lab from the start when he originally made 2 starport+lab to make banshees? lol, newsflash, you don't pump nothing but BCs when you transition to BCs, you pump BCs from 1 starport and support it with vikings from 2 others

or maybe you are just one of those FFA turtlers who pump nothing but BCs from 5 port+lab, makes sense

hellion is EASY TO TAKE DOWN? ROFL, ever heard of something called "micro"? I guess your inability to do that is the reason why you don't ever make them, understandable for a n00b

It's funny because instead of using logical reasoning in your arguements you use the old "LOL U N00B" arguement, I guess whatever floats your boat. He transitioned to Battlecruisers -Six Minutes- after throwing down his third starport and continuing to pump vikings out of ALL THREE until then. God you are fucking dense as hell. Oh and I heard helion/viking micro suddenly makes them able to demolish units that are faster than them even with micro.

Honestly I find arguing with people like you to just be a waste of time since no matter how many times I have torn apart your rebuttal you have only came back with "U N00B". I think I've proven my point here.

[GRT]

i use logical reasoning to support my argument that you are a n00b, that you can see only the "you are a n00b" and not the logics further demonstrates the fact

just try the hellion viking build next time you meet a zerg, and since you can't micro, you won't even have to if you pump out enough hellions (i'm assuming you can at least macro, there must be SOME redeemable reason you are in diamond) and see how fast it rapes mutaling, hopefully you aren't as blind to your own potentials as to others trying to convince you of it

[TaruMortis]

The mass queen wasn't really used outside of ZvZ when Zelniq introduced it to Day9 and then he cast those games.

[GRT]

oh yeah, Zelniq was the name

but man, those queens completely shut down TLO's plan of supporting with hellions, i mean i know he likes BCs, but I really think he did it because he didn't know what else he could have done lol, although i think seeker missiles might have worked pretty well

[TaruMortis]

Investing in ravens for HSM is too costly at that point. Just getting a raven though for PDD would have done him wonders. Woulda stopped the queens shot and hydras.

[Kaylia]

Seriously that's your arguement? Not only do vikings have to spend time landing but they also cost 50 more minerals 25 more gas than a hydra and have to be produced out of a high tech building. Yes its a fucking odd play to use landed vikings as an actual army and you're stupid to think otherwise.

The primary purpose isn't to fight ground units, it's to snipe overlord and fight the potential muta threat. That's what they do the best. The zerg counter eventually force you to land your viking to maximize your army. GRT isnt saying to mass viking as a ground army, he is saying they are still pretty powerful once landed

[Falaras]

The primary purpose isn't to fight ground units, it's to snipe overlord and fight the potential muta threat. That's what they do the best. The zerg counter eventually force you to land your viking to maximize your army. GRT isnt saying to mass viking as a ground army, he is saying they are still pretty powerful once landed

Did you watch the replay? TLO litteraly masses Vikings, I don't see how any of you can associate landing harassment vikings (Hell it's standard to get a viking out to snipe overlords) to pumping 3 starports worth of vikings as your ONLY army. You said it your self, the primary purpose isn't to fight ground units, but that is exactly what TLO did with them, that is why the build is odd.

[Maguspk]

He didn't use Vikings as his main ground unit, stop being a fucking retard. Like Kaylia said he used them to harass primarily and simply landed them when necessary to make them not useless. This is TLO and you're critiquing his build like you know shit, it's hilarious. Once again Falaras providing the lulz for the people who know what the fuck.