Starcraft Screenshot/Replays Thread

[Falaras]

He didn't use Vikings as his main ground unit, stop being a fucking retard. Like Kaylia said he used them to harass primarily and simply landed them when necessary to make them not useless. This is TLO and you're critiquing his build like you know shit, it's hilarious. Once again Falaras providing the lulz for the people who know what the fuck.

You forgot your signature Terran is overpowered statement. Its funny because after he finishes off all of Dimaga's mutas, and picks off all of the Overlords that he manages in the game, he continues to make vikings and landing them to fight speedlings/queens, while not making anything else, but you know its not his main ground unit by any stretch of the imagination!

[GRT]

uh, no, he was making vikings to 1. support his cloaked banshees by one shoting the overseers and 2. transition to BC

the fact that it didn't work well against an unorthodox queen build doesn't mean it isn't a valid build, stop thinking with your chest hair and try something new once, just because you A-moved to diamond doesn't mean every other terran has to do the same thing

[Syntex]

TLO would have won if he killed the hydra den, AFAIK there was no pool and no lair so he was behind in making hydras by pool/lair/hydraden/hydra build time which is like close to 5 minutes he can't make anything. That cost him the game.

That and he should have transitioned a little faster to BC and got the island expo in the top right working sooner instead of pushing down there as much and would have been fine I think.


Still amazed that TLO lost, I love that guy.

[Thunder]

Found the game and 3 others on http://sc2rep.com/ and it's just some kind of showmatch. Dimaga and TLO both do some lulzy stuff in show matches.

Here's the game if you want to watch it without HD's dumbfounded commentary(queen vs air 1 damage short of hydra's base? Play moar).
http://sc2rep.com/replays/download?id=1478

Related: look at a stationary overlord at 8x speed.

Unrelated: how come zerg gets its decal on only 1 building and 0 units, protoss 3 buildings(robo/cannon/nexus) and 0 units, while terran gets its decal on every single unit and building? Even add-ons, what the shit!

[Falaras]

It's funny because I never said it was a bad build, actually I said the opposite and have full confidence in TLO's abilities. What I said was it was an odd build, which it is, but GRT is too caught up trying to insult me to notice that. It's also funny that he keeps saying I'm a bad player when I am less than 50 points behind him, if I'm so bad why aren't you so far ahead of me? Also usually when you build vikings to support banshees, you don't build 4 vikings for every banshee, but maybe I'm just so bad for not supporting my 1 banshee with 4 vikings.

[GRT]

probably because i was in diamond since week 1 of release, and i've been playing on and off and against mostly diamond players? and you said in some thread you finally got in diamond when, last week? lol

are you really in diamond? i wanted to check cuz you do seem like a n00b from everything you are saying, and you aren't listed, so who knows

you said it was an odd build, i said it was a common build in TvZ; you said the build doesn't make sense, i said the build is valid, and now you are backtracking because, i donno, maybe you finally got out of rage mode and thought clearly, congrats

[Falaras]

probably because i was in diamond since week 1 of release, and i've been playing on and off and against mostly diamond players? and you said in some thread you finally got in diamond when, last week? lol

are you really in diamond? i wanted to check cuz you do seem like a n00b from everything you are saying, and you aren't listed, so who knows

you said it was an odd build, i said it was a common build in TvZ; you said the build doesn't make sense, i said the build is valid, and now you are backtracking because, i donno, maybe you finally got out of rage mode and thought clearly, congrats

I didn't even play in week one of the release, you've even played more games than me and still are barely above me, but good job being diamond brosef. Nice way of incorporating n00b into your sentances again, really shows your intelligence. Also like I said, show me more games where the player throws down 3 starports and uses them as the bulk of their forces, because I'm pretty sure I've watched the same pro-level replays everyone else on this forum has and it NEVER happens, but sure its so common dawg.

[Kaylia]

Did you watch the replay? TLO litteraly masses Vikings, I don't see how any of you can associate landing harassment vikings (Hell it's standard to get a viking out to snipe overlords) to pumping 3 starports worth of vikings as your ONLY army. You said it your self, the primary purpose isn't to fight ground units, but that is exactly what TLO did with them, that is why the build is odd.

The primary purpose was to shut the muta threat right away. If you fought muta before, you should know you need to outnumber them to make it worthwhile. As long the spire is up, they are a threat to terran because 12-20 could spawn at any time..


Why is he still building viking? because he already invested a lot of money in the tech tree and with the upgrade, they are better than others units avaible. They make decent "tank" for the hellion, have good dmg on ground and they allow him to dominate air. With 3/3 cruiser incomming, it was really not a bad move to go viking.

[Falaras]

The primary purpose was to shut the muta threat right away. If you fought muta before, you should know you need to outnumber them to make it worthwhile. As long the spire is up, they are a threat to terran.


Why is he still building viking? because he already invested a lot of money in the tech tree and with the upgrade, they are better than others units They make decent "tank" for the hellion, have good dmg on ground and they allow him to keep air domination.

Considering he stopped making Hellions for quite a bit while continuing to pump Vikings, that isn't really true. Not to mention better than othr units? We are talking about vikings on the ground right?

[Thunder]

I don't want to get into this argument or anything, and no offense to any of you, but being good in the game =/= knowing what's good(has to be a better way to say that). But any idiot can get diamond by doing a good all-in strat every game without knowing or learning a thing.

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Spoiler: show

Some, if not most, top diamond players are pretty stupid and are just really really good at a single strat like 4 gating because the build order is just second nature to them(day9 talks about one of the top players in the world who emailed him lolzing about how bad he is and how far he rode into diamond on 4gate; idk how true it is, but it's certainly possible). These players don't know a single transition, what units are cost effective against what, any neat tactics, but they do know a pretty good build order that has a powerful timing push and because they play every single game against every single race the same way they can pull it off pretty well.

Playing the game takes a little bit of good decision making, a little bit of experience with when popular timing attacks hit, and a lot of muscle memory shit. The latter two require a lot of playtime instead of intelligence.

So flaunting leagues and points in a discussion is a little silly.. imo.

[Kaylia]

Are you being dense on purpose? Viking can hit both air and ground. Having the ability to rape air, and do well against ground make them better than another units that only works on ground.

Is it the best unit to deal with ground force? No. Is it worthwhile to produce them against ground unit when you want to keep air superiority? Yes. The reason why they were mostly on the ground was because of the constant pressure from the zerg.

The small period of time is where he stopped producing hellion is when he lost his expansion to baneling and was changing tech to cruisers. The exact army composition could have been better obviously, it's easy to say after when you see both side and the outcome, but pumping viking when you are aiming for cruiser is not a bad move.

[GRT]

I didn't even play in week one of the release, you've even played more games than me and still are barely above me, but good job being diamond brosef. Nice way of incorporating n00b into your sentances again, really shows your intelligence. Also like I said, show me more games where the player throws down 3 starports and uses them as the bulk of their forces, because I'm pretty sure I've watched the same pro-level replays everyone else on this forum has and it NEVER happens, but sure its so common dawg.

haha, I watch my fair share of casts, but I draw my conclusions from the games I actually play. From what you've been saying, it would seem that you are able to counter mutaling with what, marines and thors? Seriously man, have you ever played a game since coming into diamond, or are you even in diamond in the first place?

[Falaras]

haha, I watch my fair share of casts, but I draw my conclusions from the games I actually play. From what you've been saying, it would seem that you are able to counter mutaling with what, marines and thors? Seriously man, have you ever played a game since coming into diamond, or are you even in diamond in the first place?

Yeah man I totally photoshopped my signature so I could look like I was in Diamond to impress a guy who says n00b in 95% of his posts. And yes I draw plenty of conclusions off my own games, studying pro replays, studying my replays, and studying other peoples replays.

The small period of time is where he stopped producing hellion is when he lost his expansion to baneling and was changing tech to cruisers. The exact army composition could have been better obviously, it's easy to say after when you see both side and the outcome, but pumping viking when you are aiming for cruiser is not a bad move.

He stops producing hellions far earlier.

[GRT]

oh, well i turned off sigs to keep the forums looking clean

man, i was really excited when i got all 4 leagues into diamond the first week, guess it really doesn't mean much lol

[Bweigelt]

haha, I watch my fair share of casts, but I draw my conclusions from the games I actually play. From what you've been saying, it would seem that you are able to counter mutaling with what, marines and thors? Seriously man, have you ever played a game since coming into diamond, or are you even in diamond in the first place?

While I agree Falaras is being dense on purpose, I've been in Diamond since day 1 and have never seen a TvZ where the T goes Viking Helion to counter Mutaling. Marine/Marauder/Thor does counter Mutaling if you use proper army positioning and spread you're marines.

In any case TLO wasn't going Viking to counter mutaling in that game. He added the viking to provide air superiority for his banshee's which makes them incredibly strong unless you're opponent happens to go mass hydra, and no on goes hydra in TvZ anymore. He just ran into another strategy that happened to counter it that I doubt he's ever ran into before and tried to adjust by adding hellions to help harass while he tech'd to BC's. It didn't work because he made some mistakes while under pressure like missing killing that Hydra den. It also wasn't that serious of a game and both players were clearly messing around a bit. There is no way Dimaga would guess that hard and make mass queens in a game that actually meant something. It happened to work in this case but he started massing queens before he ever saw the first banshee.

[GRT]

really? that's weird, i played as zerg the first couple of weeks, and hellion/viking and hellion/thor was half the reason i switched to random, and i've also had plenty of success with the build when i get zerg opponents as terran (it's my default in that matchup, as i mentioned), especially on 2 player maps where i can contain the zerg with my mobility, and it's easy to switch to banshees if the zerg goes roaches

[Misuicide]

Wow I caused a lot of RAGE with this video, I think we need some 1v1s down in this joint! Probably tomorrow, as i'm going to work!
It was still great play by both players regardless of what you think. Even fucking around Dimaga and TLO would rape our faces.

[GRT]

what fast hellion does to the zerg, when used right, is that it really limits the zerg's gas, which forces the zerg to get a bunch of lings, which is then countered by even more hellions and preignitor

when the terran doesn't go hellions, i can usually get 6~7 mutas before they move out, which makes it easy for me to pick out the marines and then the T's front door buildings when they are moving to my base, and the ling would then clean out the marauders and the thor, vikings in this case is a lot more potent, especially on maps like scrap station and desert oasis because of its mobility, and on those maps i got beat by that strat at least a dozen times

[Bweigelt]

what fast hellion does to the zerg, when used right, is that it really limits the zerg's gas, which forces the zerg to get a bunch of lings, which is then countered by even more hellions and preignitor

when the terran doesn't go hellions, i can usually get 6~7 mutas before they move out, which makes it easy for me to pick out the marines and then the T's front door buildings when they are moving to my base, and the ling would then clean out the marauders and the thor, vikings in this case is a lot more potent, especially on maps like scrap station and desert oasis because of its mobility, and on those maps i got beat by that strat at least a dozen times

Oh I use Hellions all the time in that match up, but never in combination with Vikings. In fact I can count the number of times I've made Vikings against zerg on one hand. They just aren't that great against zerg unless you're in a situation like TLO was where you have banshee's on the field and need to keep air superiority or you insta lose.

[GRT]

you need that air control regardless on scrap, because the mobility of muta when compared to land counters, i always go viking hellion (mixed with some tanks) on scrap, desert oasis, and some 4 player maps depending on spawn location, it makes you feel like the zerg the way you can maintain map control and expand