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[jimbobsonofgod]

You don't know what SE wants. You look at the current trials and assume they're the way they are because that's exactly how SE wants them, when in fact it's perfectly possible SE missed the difficulty level they intended.

And its just as fucking possible that this is indeed the difficulty they intended.
You are more likely to come across an adjustment square hasn't then one that they have.
You think that because they have adjusted something in the past that they will now and yet deny the fact that what they have included in the game already is not what they had designed , and you think that is what they intended in the first place.

Its obvious they don't want every tom dick and harry having these yet.

and as for the Q.Q mythics being too hard. while i agree for the most part about people not even attempting it back before it was made easier, sadly Almalexia was buying them at 10k a shot back then ....

[Priran]

And its just as fucking possible that this is indeed the difficulty they intended.

Possible, meaning you're not certain, meaning you don't know what SE wants, meaning shut up already.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Now I know why your post count is so high ...
Back on topic. I don't think 50 NM drops is unreasonable especially if they lead to 99 ultimate weapons.

[NynJa]

All I see in hear is a bunch of "Waaaah this shit's too hard!" Seriously, if you think it's too hard to be worth it then don't do it. The reason they toned down the alex requirement for mythics is because no one even dared attempt them when they were "too hard".

Um, they lowered it by less than half and at the time the only source of alexandrite was from gears, pouches didnt exist. You were literally getting MAYBE 20 alexandrite per run (and thats generous). Presuming you were hoarding all of your groups alex, and were going once per day, and werent getting outside help, you were gettin 7300 alex per year, which would take about 7 years to complete. No shit no one was bothering with them?

And not to dig up an old horse, but if it werent for the douchebag dupers getting 3x as much alex as they should have, the alex requirement may have been lowered to 15-20k.



btw Pririan, since you know exactly what SE wants to do, and they dont make mistakes, how come they've gone back on solid complete content and modded things?
Salvage coffers
Rage timers
RDM/BLM nerfs
Pet summon count
etc etc etc

[Priran]

Yes, back on topic, guy who started the derail.

50 drops is completely unreasonable at 80 cap. And while the initial trial will get easier as the cap rises, we're going to hit the 99 cap eventually. So if they keep adding trials that are as hard as the first, getting the base weapon will become progressively more doable while getting it to a usable form will remain a fucking ordeal.

What is the point of making these trials hard to keep the weapon "exclusive" when eventually, the only thing preventing people from getting the base weapon will be how much effort they're willing to put into town gear?

[Priran]

btw Pririan, since you know exactly what SE wants to do, and they dont make mistakes, how come they've gone back on solid complete content and modded things?
Salvage coffers
Rage timers
RDM/BLM nerfs
Pet summon count
etc etc etc

Protip: If you can't even spell the name of the poster you're about to flame you might want to check you actually read their posts well enough to criticize them.

[jimbobsonofgod]

This is why I don't think its too unreasonable.

Mythic weapons
Vigil weapon Nyzul Drop > An Imperial Heist > Duties, Tasks, and Deeds > Mythic Weapon (Locked)
Vs
Empyerian Weapons.
Go to jeuno get Base Weapon > 41 mob kills > 50 Mob drops > Empyerian base weapon.

Second one seems a lot easier to me. That could just be me though....

[NynJa]

Protip: If you can't even spell the name of the poster you're about to flame you might want to check you actually read their posts well enough to criticize them.

Like I really give a shit how to spell your name lol...

[NynJa]

Under the current level cap, most of the Empyrean weapons are trash. And once they raise the level cap, getting the Lv.80 town gear form is going to be much easier. Empyrean weapons are never going to be anything near the status symbols that relics/mythics are, so why are the trials such a fucking pain in the ass timesink?

Really?
Polearm (lv80)
Mythic 103/492 Augs Jump
Empyrean 111/492
Relic 112/492 Acc+25 Weakens Defense

Dagger (THF)
My 40/200 Enhance SA/TA
Em 42/176
Re 43/176 Atk+25 ENFUCKINGPOISON

GKT
My 91/450 Enhance 3E
Em 97/437
Re 98/437 Acc+25 Weakens Attacks


Empyreans arent finished, but they're clearly stronger than most mythics, and barely weaker than relics.

[Priran]

This is why I don't think its too unreasonable.

Mythic weapons
Vigil weapon Nyzul Drop > An Imperial Heist > Duties, Tasks, and Deeds > Mythic Weapon (Locked)
Vs
Empyerian Weapons.
Go to jeuno get Base Weapon > 41 mob kills > 50 Mob drops > Empyerian base weapon.

Second one seems a lot easier to me. That could just be me though....

Most of the relic/mythic quest is just doing easy stuff you'd be doing anyway for a loooong time.

The empyrean quest is like if getting a relic required 50 drops from Jailer of Love before SE made pop items 100%. And you're limited to 5 1/4 hours in sea a week. And there's six copies of JoL, each of which only gives the item for a couple of weapons and do not share pop items. And everyone in your LS wants a relic.

[Priran]

Like I really give a shit how to spell your name lol...

You know, I usually feel bad for you when people shit on you in the middle of a thread because you're Nynja but jesus fucking christ, you really are a fucking braindead prick, you know that?

I was arguing for an entire page against people claiming to know what SE is thinking, and never once did I claim to know. Take a fucking hike you clown.

[Hyan]

Is it sad for me to think that this is the most entertaining forum in BG?

[jimbobsonofgod]

Most of the relic/mythic quest is just doing easy stuff for a loooong time.

The empyrean quest is like if getting a relic required 50 drops from Jailer of Love before SE made pop items 100%. And you're limited to 5 1/4 hours in sea a week. And there's six copies of JoL, each of which only gives the item for a couple of weapons and do not share pop items. And everyone in your LS wants a relic.

You can exp > get 100's of minutes worth of time in a zone then farm NMs afterwards. if you did that every day and chose 1 guy to get all 50 first then move onto the next guy is no where near as bad as doing a fucking mythic.

Like mythics you can progress as a group up until the 30,000 alex.
For Emperyian you can progress as a group up until the 50 drops.
Emperyians are still way waaay easier and faster to complete then a mythic currently.

[Priran]

You can exp > get 100's of minutes worth of time in a zone then farm NMs afterwards. if you did that every day and chose 1 guy to get all 50 first then move onto the next guy is no where near as bad as doing a fucking mythic.

FFXI in a bubble.

You're assuming a group far more competent than is actually required for a relic or mythic and far more patient than pretty much anyone I've ever met.

[NynJa]

You know, I usually feel bad for you when people shit on you in the middle of a thread because you're Nynja but jesus fucking christ, you really are a fucking braindead prick, you know that?

I was arguing for an entire page against people claiming to know what SE is thinking, and never once did I claim to know. Take a fucking hike you clown.

I'll call you Peebrain instead then, looks similar, etc etc...

btw, do you have a relic or mythic?

[Malacite]

You have too much faith in humanity...



So people dont afk bot on lv20 mobs on their lv80 char?



You can lvlsync your weather / weapon trials...which opens up a bunch of options. Cant relic WS at 1-74 >.> Though I will admit, fire weather rabbits are only Teriggan and Valkurm. But complaining about "use WS X times on Y mob" is retarded...be glad its not Koki killshots?

I'm aware I can synch, but you have no idea what a pain in the ass that has proven to be for me. I'm pretty much fucked on that front.

[NynJa]

I'm aware I can synch, but you have no idea what a pain in the ass that has proven to be for me. I'm pretty much fucked on that front.

Well as I said, you arent just limited to "fire weather bunnies", you can also go on a bunny slaughter on firesday. If you were so inclined to also, you could sync down, beat the shit out of a bunch of rabbits on darksday leaving them at 10%HP, let PL tank em all, then just slowly erradicate them one by one. If you'd put forth the effort of gathering them all and doing that, there are apparently 75 Forest Hares in West Ronfaure, though I dunno if theyre all worth xp at lv10. There's apparently 74 Canyon Rarabs in Tahrongi, 51 in Valkurm, etc etc etc. Or you could do it at 75-80 in teriggan/boyahda/uleguerand using same methods, beat mob down on darksda, sleep at 5-15%, then finish em off.

[Malacite]

I was just citing bunnies as an example;

Finding anyone let alone a friend, who will actually help and let me synch to get these done is pretty much not an option for me, and not for lack of trying.


So that leaves me at the mercy of doing high level EP's that take all day to kill and can quite possibly kill me if I fuck up, most of the time for very minimal gain too. tl;dr version = trials suck. Rewards are amazing, but the effort, as with virtually everything else in XI, is a pile of lopsided bullshit.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't feel like wasting entire weeks at a time for one fucking item to upgrade to the next level.

[jimbobsonofgod]

tl;dr version = trials suck. Rewards are amazing, but the effort, as with virtually everything else in XI, is a pile of lopsided bullshit.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't feel like wasting entire weeks at a time for one fucking item to upgrade to the next level.

In this game it seems that the bigger the effort, the bigger the rewards. If you are complaining about weather/day trials even if its an hour a day at 50 mobs solo a day its 17.5 element days for a weapon that will out do anything currently in the game you cant magian. And that's worse case scenario, that you cant find anybody else that is on your particular trial.

Even if you don't have any friends you should at least be able to find people that are on a trial that is close to if not on your trial. If you think magian is bad wonder what you think of anything else worth doing. I've wasted more time trying to get AF+1 mats, dynamis drops, A week or 2 for getting a top tier weapon doesn't seem that bad to me really ...
Again in this game I've done more for less.

[Obsidian]

This is why I don't think its too unreasonable.

Mythic weapons
Vigil weapon Nyzul Drop > An Imperial Heist > Duties, Tasks, and Deeds > Mythic Weapon (Locked)
Vs
Empyerian Weapons.
Go to jeuno get Base Weapon > 41 mob kills > 50 Mob drops > Empyerian base weapon.

Second one seems a lot easier to me. That could just be me though....

Maybe if the base Empyrean weapons were at all comparable to Mythic/Relic weapons. As they stand the level 80 forms are pretty bad relative to relics and mythics.

Revisit this argument once the total investment is known.

Also dragon pants on my MNK yesssssss.