Hysteria over Muslims spreads all over America!

[Mistress Stowastiq]

This is actually the first time i've ever heard it mentioned that muslims died at wtc.(non hijacking ones I assume).
I just tried to look up the numbers on google and the closest thing to even mentioning muslims dead was some racist site saying that they only care about dead muslims when the infidels do it.

The person who mentioned it (that I can actually remember a name of) was A Daisy Kahn. Heard her on Democracy Now.

Also a representative for the Muslim center interviewed on Msnbc mentioned it and yes (non hijacker casualties). I will look for some more accurate references though if you are interested.

Ok found one of them:


It starts at around 02:36. This video is him explaining why he is returning his ADL 1st Amendment Freedoms Award and talking about the Islamic center and Mosque near WTC. Cnn's site is a hellish navigational nightmare.

I hand typed the part he said about the victims:
02:36 video excerpt

"The director of the ADL, Abrham Foxmen explained that the victims of 911 had feelings on this matter that should be respected even if they were irrational. First of all, there were many dozens of victims of 911 who were Muslim, do their feelings count? More important, are irrational feelings, prejudices hatreds, ok because those expressing them are victims or see themselves as victims?"

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Fareed : Don't Demonize Islamic Center
Aug 7, 2010
CNN Fareed Zakaria

Under video's on the cnn.com/video
Click "On TV"
Click Fareed Zakaria GPS the left toolbar
Click video for: "Don't Demonize Islamic Center"



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Salman_Hamdani

Mohammad Salman Hamdani (1978–September 11, 2001) was a Muslim Pakistani American who was killed in the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Hamdani was born in Karachi, Pakistan and moved to America with his family when he was only 13 months old. He later became a paramedic, ambulance driver, and a New York City Police Department cadet. On September 11, 2001 while on the way to work, Hamdani witnessed the smoke coming from the Twin Towers and hurried to the scene to assist. He was killed while going to the aid of victims in the World Trade Center. However, since he did not notify anyone of where he went and never showed up for work, US media speculated initially that he was involved in the terrorist attack, due to his ethnicity and religion. His remains were later found at the rubble of the WTC, and he was posthumously declared a hero.

He is specifically mentioned in the USA PATRIOT Act, Title 1 in section 102 (titled "Sense of Congress condemning discrimination against Arab and Muslim Americans"). The Act specifically states that:

Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.

The documentary 11'9"01 September 11 features a segment on him and his family.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/1...ims/index.html

September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:36 PM EDT (1736 GMT)
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Touri Bolourchi and her husband, Akbar, immigrated to the United States from Iran in 1979. The couple raised their two daughters, Neda and Roya, in Los Angeles, creating a family proud of both its U.S. citizenship and Muslim faith.


Touri had lost two relatives in plane crashes, and she was afraid of flying. But Roya had relocated to Boston, Massachusetts, so Touri flew from Los Angeles to visit her daughter and her grandsons a few weeks ago.

She changed her reservation back to Los Angeles several times before finally settling on United Airlines Flight 175 on September 11.

Akbar Bolourchi watched the horrifying television image of Flight 175 crashing into the south tower of the World Trade Center. He would later learn that his wife was on board.

"I saw … the horrible thing. I couldn't believe it," he said.

Touri had just turned 69. She and Akbar recently had celebrated their 42nd wedding anniversary.

"In one moment, the end of it all," Akbar said.

"That's the most horrific thing about it, that she was so scared of airplanes and we weren't with her," Neda said. "The only thing I wish is that she died before hitting the tower because I didn't want her to suffer. So I really hope she died before hitting the tower."

Grief echoed through the Los Angeles Islamic center where services were held for Touri Bolourchi, one of many Muslims who died in the September 11 attacks. The services urged calm at a time when so many are feeling persecuted.

United Airlines flew Touri's daughter Roya and her grandsons from Boston to Los Angeles so that they could attend the services.

"True Muslims don't believe in killing to prove what they believe in," said Bobby Turan, Touri Bolourchi's grandson. "I'm proud of being Iranian, and I'm proud of being a Muslim. If that's going to put me in any sort of danger, then I have to accept it because I'm not going to deny who I am."

The Bolourchis said they are focusing on feelings of love for Touri instead of hatred of the hijackers.

"I want to spend my time remembering the good things; I want to honor her spirit," Neda said.

Among the memories of his wife that Akbar said he will cherish: "The last time she hugged me and the last goodbye."

There are lists on line also, long ones and some still missing persons lists.

[archibaldcrane]

Wait, so the Anti-Defamation League is against the building of this community center?

[Kuya]

Something like that.

A Jewish group famous for fighting for religious freedom came out Friday against the proposed mosque near Ground Zero.

The Anti-Defamation League said it has no use for the bigots who have used anti-Islamic rhetoric to try and block the project.

"However, there are understandably strong passions and keen sensitivities surrounding the World Trade Center site," the organization said in a statement.

"We are ever mindful of the tragedy which befell our nation there."

This is not, the ADL said, "a question of rights, but a question of what is right."

"In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain - unnecessarily - and that is not right."

The ADL also said "some legitimate questions have been raised" about who funding the project and "what connections, if any, its leaders might have with groups whose ideologies stand in contradiction to our shared values."

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...on_league.html

The ADL has been accused recently of acting less like a rights-group and more like a pro-Israel group.

[archibaldcrane]

The ADL also said "some legitimate questions have been raised" about who funding the project and "what connections, if any, its leaders might have with groups whose ideologies stand in contradiction to our shared values."

I haven't followed this story that much, is there anything to this?

[Kuya]

I haven't heard anything about that, and i've been following the story.

[Correction]

This is actually the first time i've ever heard it mentioned that muslims died at wtc.(non hijacking ones I assume).
I just tried to look up the numbers on google and the closest thing to even mentioning muslims dead was some racist site saying that they only care about dead muslims when the infidels do it.
Does anyone have any real numbers on that?

No numbers but according to this list:

http://tbtf.com/unblinking/arc/2001-09a.htm

I see listings for an 'Arab Chamber of Commerce' and 'Cote d'lvoire Embassy Commercial Counselor,' both with a fair probability of employing muslims in their offices. Whether or not they died is up in the air, but suffice it to say there are muslim victims of the attacks at the WTC.

Also what Kuya said about the ADL, they are more of an Israeli political action group than what is printed on the tin these days. Note the careful insertion of 'our shared values' at the end of the statement.

[Skidz]

So apparently Eid may fall on September 11th........ shiiit

[Correction]

Guess anybody with a birthday on 9/11 should also just spend the day alone in an empty room.

[Skidz]

If that somebody's Muslim, I could see it being awkward.

You don't think it'd be awkward for one of islam's biggest holiday to be on 9/11?

[Correction]

No more than someone throwing a Bar Mitzvah on Good Friday. Sometimes you can't stop people being outraged at coincidences, that's why you shouldn't give a shit.

[Kuya]

I think if it's awkward or not and whether they should be able to celebrate their holiday (hint: they should) are two seperate issues. Correction is clearly talking about the latter.

[Skidz]

Oh, ofcourse I'm not saying that celebrating would be wrong. I'm just concerned that people unaware of the holiday might take offense to a Muslim celebrating on 9/11. I'm Muslim, I'll be celebrating regardless of what date it falls on.

[Kuya]

I think that people who are concerned will try and get the word out beforehand to avoid misunderstanding, but some people are probably less interested in understanding, and more interested in confirming their biases and finding that scapegoat they need so much.

edit: In other words, we know what Newt is gonna do.

[Correction]

I think part of the message in the OP of the thread is that people are finding reasons to be offended at islam regardless of what day of the week it is, or how close to ground zero it is. You can't control the reactions of the ignorant, just do what you gotta do. If it weren't Eid, they'd come after you for your daily prayers, given the opportunity.

[Correction]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/...pt=T1&iref=BN1

whoops our president's an islamic kenyan osama bin terrorist again. This'll be fun for another week's worth of news cycles, I guess.

[Kuya]

Thank God he finally spoke out about this rather than take the path of least resistance.

[Khalil]

Frankly, I can understand both sides but I'd have to agree with Kuya, ultimately, in the end. Keep in mind that the idiots who fucked up your lower manhattan were just extremists. The fact that they even associated themselves with Islam is fucking doubted seeing how fucking misled they were about what it really teaches. And, to be honest, WHO THE FUCK LISTENS TO THAT UNCOHERENT BITCH ALASKA SPEWED OUT TO THE REST OF US?

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I'm just curious, for those who think it's ok to build the mosque, is it ok for Germany to build a cultural center at Aushvitz? Would it be ok for the Japanese to build a cultural center at Pearl Harbor?

I barely read this thread, sorry if these questions have been answered.

Edit: And didn't the guy who is funding the Mosque say 9/11 is our fault? Or is it the preacher? or w/e he is called

[Kuya]

I'm just curious, for those who think it's ok to build the mosque, is it ok for Germany to build a cultural center at Aushvitz? Would it be ok for the Japanese to build a cultural center at Pearl Harbor?

I barely read this thread, sorry if these questions have been answered.

Edit: And didn't the guy who is funding the Mosque say 9/11 is our fault? Or is it the preacher? or w/e he is called

Doesn't matter. Butthurt feelings does not dictate law. There has to be rational, secular reasoning when it comes to law.

[Byrthnoth]

I'm just curious, for those who think it's ok to build the mosque, is it ok for Germany to build a cultural center at Aushvitz? Would it be ok for the Japanese to build a cultural center at Pearl Harbor?

I barely read this thread, sorry if these questions have been answered.

<_< I didn't realize that the Nazis and Japanese military were extremist factions of a disorganized community.