Hysteria over Muslims spreads all over America!

[Gadritan]

When people abuse a right to the point at which it infringes upon someone's rights action does have to be taken. That's when you get into the legal mumbo jumbo.

i.e. if you get sent to prison your rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness have been taken away, a direct infringement upon your constitutional rights. It's the consequence for infringing upon other's rights. Edit: Shitty example I know, but it gets the point across.

It's a very easy concept to understand.

[Elvis]

Typical lefty. Can't actually answer the question because it would invalidate alot of your arguments or violate the tenants of your beliefs, so lets resort to ad hominem attacks. Rather than admit there is a massive difference between the actions of anti-muslim christians, and the actions of anti-christian muslims, you focus on my post count.

Truth be told, you can't answer the question, because the Christian extemists you so desparately want to destroy/belittle, don't actually do anything. Sure, they may hold some protests, maybe make some mis-spelled signs with some hateful messages. But at the end of the day, is anyone really hurt? No.

Islam is an ideology that kills people for drawing a picture of Mohammed, and we are supposed to give a damn if their feelings are hurt because some people protest a mosque?

Christian extremists carried out genocide against indigenous Mayans in Guatemala during the late 70s and 1980s. With the support of the then burgeoning political Christian Right movement. Read Terror in the Land of the Holy Spirit.

The Santa Fe document, which outlined our foreign policy throughout the 1980s stated that we should combat Christian liberation theology in Latin and Central America with far-right Christian ideology.

Furthermore, there is also the immense damage done by Christian missionaries in the Amazon (in how they broke up indigenous societies through proselytism) with the funding by multinational corporations headed by the likes of Nelson Rockefeller. Read Thy Will Be, The Conquest Of The Amazon: Nelson Rockefeller and Evangelism in the Age of Oil.

The United States carried out a genocide against Iraq during the sanctions regime (1990-2003) that devasted the country and killed 100,000s of people (mostly women and children). I fucking dare you to challenge me on this point. Read Invisible War: The United States and the Iraq Sanctions.

You remind me of Leif. Another ignorant douchebag. Except, you apparently know what Zionism is so this should be fun.

For example, suicide terrorism is a tactic. Most suicide terrorism has been carried out by the Marxist-Leninist group 'whose members are from Hindu families but who are adamantly opposed to religion' - the Tamil Tigers. This group has committed 76 of 315 suicide attacks (recorded from 1980 to 2003; more than Hamas). Read Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.

Or you can be a moron like this new poster and read Daniel Pipes or Marty Peretz or visit websites like JihadWatch or LittleGreenFootballs, etc.

[Correction]

So, they should have the right to assemble, freedom of speech, etc...but, because they will continue to exercise those rights, we should just take them away? Which is it? "Okay for me, but not for thee" right?

Jesus christ listen to yourself. I never once said the protesters are doing anything illegal or that they should be stopped. I do agree that the basis of their protests are fear mixed with blind ignorance and that their ultimate goal is unreachable because bing! the muslims have every right to use the land they own as they see fit.

Stop arguing against things people didn't say. Or keep at it, I honestly don't give a shit. I'm sure you'll fit right in with Leif, xxxfrodobagginsxxx, Egon and every other cretin that rolls in here playing the 'The Other did worse to us so as long as we approach but not cross the lines they did I'm okay with American barbarism' game your kind always does.

[Zoolander]

If you are gunna compare Christian extremists vs Muslim extremists you should at least we aware that the majority of people we label Muslim extremists/terrorists aren't doing this shit purely in the name of Islam. It has just as much to do with non-religious beliefs and just straight up gang-like activity. They are criminals, not the super fanatical religious warriors they are labeled as.

Of course its easier to just paint them as crazy Muslims rather than attempt to understand why certain people do what they do.

Good article on the above subject as well: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...outta_kandahar



Ontopic, I think Muslims and immigrants in general are being used as scapegoats for the people most adversely affected by the current economic issues in the US. When shit goes bad, people often look to place blame elsewhere. Nationalism is running rampant atm, creating an "us vs them" sentiment and obviously "them" are Muslims and anyone that is foreign to us in the west. East vs West, etc.

This is of course also all tied together by the two wars we have going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. They have cost us young soldier's lives and have been massive money sinks. Its natural for there to be some resentment and blame against the "people" we view as being responsible for these wars and the incredible cost associated with them. Of course, the ignorance surrounding the M.E. in this country that groups all Muslims together only further perpetuates these issues.

Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been any major public violence against Muslims.

[Cleveland_7795]

It's completely okay for them to be sitting there protesting crap as long as they aren't obstructing anything and have the right permits. It would be equally okay to take all their names down and publish them in the newspaper or on the web as people protesting ____ cause. It's also okay to picket next to them and protest the protest.

Lets not get confused about the un-American nature of religious discrimination. The ones being discriminated against aren't the jackasses here.

The only times I get worried about protesters and crap like this is when I hear politicians saying it. Politicians are obligated to represent their constituents. It is not their job to guard the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Still, it would be nice if they would at least superficially stand up for the country's ideals.

Who is right and who is wrong, who is a jackass, and who is not, is not the issue. It's the hypocrisy of those crying "foul." Protesting, free speech, legal challenging, and suing, are clearly only reserved for the left, and anyone who shares their ideals or agenda.

[Correction]

Who is right and who is wrong, is not the issue.

lol

[Zoolander]

Who is right and who is wrong, who is a jackass, and who is not, is not the issue. It's the hypocrisy of those crying "foul." Protesting, free speech, legal challenging, and suing, are clearly only reserved for the left, and anyone who shares their ideals or agenda.

What the fuck are you talking about. You are associating being against the hypocrisy of the people protesting the Islamic center in NYC as being against their right to do so.

Their right to assemble goes without saying, that doesn't mean we can't talk about how stupid and dangerous they are.

[Cleveland_7795]

Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been any major public violence against Muslims.

This is because despite how the media and members of this forum spin it, the Christian/Right Wing Extremists are not prone to violence.

[Cleveland_7795]

What the fuck are you talking about. You are associating being against the hypocrisy of the people protesting the Islamic center in NYC as being against their right to do so.

Their right to assemble goes without saying, that doesn't mean we can't talk about how stupid and dangerous they are.

NYC Islamic Center? When did I ever mention that? More assumptions....

[Cadsuane]

This is because despite how the media and members of this forum spin it, the Christian/Right Wing Extremists are not prone to violence.

yes they are

[Cleveland_7795]

Jesus christ listen to yourself. I never once said the protesters are doing anything illegal or that they should be stopped. I do agree that the basis of their protests are fear mixed with blind ignorance and that their ultimate goal is unreachable because bing! the muslims have every right to use the land they own as they see fit.

Stop arguing against things people didn't say. Or keep at it, I honestly don't give a shit. I'm sure you'll fit right in with Leif, xxxfrodobagginsxxx, Egon and every other cretin that rolls in here playing the 'The Other did worse to us so as long as we approach but not cross the lines they did I'm okay with American barbarism' game your kind always does.

I remember those names. I assumed they were banned because they disagreed, and are therefore evil?

[Tempyst]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

[Egon]

Even I'm starting to think the new guy is a sock, and I'm a born again basket case.

You have much to learn young one.

[Correction]

I remember those names. I assumed they were banned because they disagreed, and are therefore evil?

Still waiting for you to provide one example of someone in this thread proposing to deny these lunatic anti-islamic protesters the right to assemble and protest.

Because if you fail to do so, then you've been strawmanning it up the entire time, putting you in the elite class of people I've already named.

[Cleveland_7795]

Wow....9 dead since '93, in 9 isolated incidents. Holy hell!!! Why, thats enough to generalize all of Chritianity/The Right as violent.

[Elvis]

This is because despite how the media and members of this forum spin it, the Christian/Right Wing Extremists are not prone to violence.

Why would they be? They can realize their political ambitions. They are mainstream. So is Zionism.

Look at Saudi Arabia for example. Sharia law and all that or whatever. I don't know what goes on there but imagine if Muslims here tried to add those laws here. It wouldn't happen. And we wouldn't be able to add our secular laws over there.

Why does a Christian Extremist need to bomb a mosque? We have invaded 2 Muslim countries. We occupy two Muslim countries. How does our popular culture portray Muslims? Etc. etc.

It's not like there is this incredible tension. There is no tension. There is a general feeling of not wanting to be called a bigot or racist but when it comes to being called an Islamophobe, I think people don't mind as much. It's like the end of this trailer for the documentary, Planet of the Arabs:

(part in question begins at 7:47)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi1ZNEjEarw

If I want to go conquer Islamic lands, I can join the Army and go smack around the Ay-rabs right now. That's the framework I can apply to joining the Army. All the brown people I can hate. It can be my very own reason. Are we supporting the Palestinians or Israel? Are we supporting an independent Middle East or handful of corrupt family dictatorships? Etc. etc.

Seriously please shut the fuck up and die in a fiery volcano of AIDs you faggot.

[Cleveland_7795]

Seriously please shut the fuck up and die in a fiery volcano of AIDs you faggot.

And there it is...

[Rhyis.]

lolAmerica.

[Byrthnoth]

Wow....9 dead since '93, in 9 isolated incidents. Holy hell!!! Why, thats enough to generalize all of Chritianity/The Right as violent.

The Church's last legit attempt to make a theocracy -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Anyway, who the jackasses are is entirely the issue, and in a way it's the only issue. The question being argued about is just whether the jackasses are the protesters or the people that would dare build a mosque.
I don't think people are exactly threatening legal action against the mosque protesters, nor do I believe many of the people protesting are even remotely religious. It's purely an issue of open religious discrimination that's apparently condoned by one political party and condemned by another. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. It makes sense that they might need to open more mosques.

Aka:
Mosqueguiz: "Hai guiz we're going to build a mosque here!"
Protesters: "Stop building a mosque in my base. Islamic extremists blew up buildings kinda near here and you look about the same as they did!"
Everyone else: "lol, o you guiz... the 1950s were 60 years ago."

That's really all there is to this conflict.

[Elvis]

ANYWAYS

The Christians protesting the Mosque do not represent Christians as a whole. And I think all reasonable people would share that opinion. There are countless selfless good Christians around the world saving lives and blah blah. /endthread

Egon still has the personality of a used condom though.