Bioshock: Infinite

[Souj]

all I know is that I pulled the lever quick on that red stained item after I googled what that word was.

[Souj]

bleh, died 5 times on the

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rescue Chen Lin section. Twice the the handyman outside and 4 times inside against the series of enemies Fink sets you up against.
restarted the handyman part a few times but I kept dying, so I just said fuck it.

[Kwijiboe]

I was running around that plaza and suddenly the handyman died. No idea how. I went back and searched and found a hat. Musta been a glitch.

[Insanecyclone]

[Dominico]

Ok, so just finished the game... and a bit confused about the ending.

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So basically, Columbia was just one of many different worlds that exist. Rapture was a different world (which I think is the only reference to the original?). Elizabeth can somehow open tears which let her pop in and out of all the worlds. You and Comstock are basically the same person, so how is it that at one point they say shes not his daughter... if she actually is? And what was the whole debt that was supposed the be washed away? You gave them Anna/Elizabeth as a baby, so how the hell are they sending you to go get her again?

Overall, phenomenal game. A bit confusing at times, but shit was good all the way. Kinda wish there was

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more of a connection to the original Bioshock. When I saw the baby, I thought he was going to say something like "Oh, this is my son Andrew. Andrew Ryan DeWitt". Gotta say, though it was a crazy shock when you just get popped into Rapture.

[Salodin]

Ok, so just finished the game... and a bit confused about the ending.

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So basically, Columbia was just one of many different worlds that exist. Rapture was a different world (which I think is the only reference to the original?). Elizabeth can somehow open tears which let her pop in and out of all the worlds. You and Comstock are basically the same person, so how is it that at one point they say shes not his daughter... if she actually is? And what was the whole debt that was supposed the be washed away? You gave them Anna/Elizabeth as a baby, so how the hell are they sending you to go get her again?

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you're getting caught up on the easy part of the story lol.

Columbia is the brain child of booker (who becomes Comstock after he finds god) after he backs luticia (spelling). From the tears he sees from her experiments he sees his future (which is really just possibilities of his future and why he calls himself the prophet) and sees his heir. Because of the experiments though he's gone sterile, so in order to have "his child" become his heir he goes to another of his realities, the one where he isn't baptized, and steals his alternate selfs baby. Booker gives up Anna because he lost a large amount gambling (his addiction because he still has the guilt from all the things he's done in war). Fast forward, the twins (which is really the same person but from different realities) set in motion a plan to stop Comstock/Elizabeth from baptizing the world in fire, that is basically the entire premise of the game. In the end, it took I believe 123 times of the events in the game to happen before the little changes and choices in each time to add up to enough to let booker not only save Anna (he would previously always die to songbird), but to also realize the truth himself and stop the cycle of booker being baptized and becoming Comstock. Elizabeth only says she's not his daughter because she doesn't know of any of this until the end of the game, all they know is lady Comstock isn't the mom, and eventually that Comstock isn't the "father".

Now, rapture itself doesn't have anything specific to do with Columbia, it's just one of the things they saw through the tear. But because of it, the Fitz brothers were able to steal and modify the big daddy process to create songbird to protect Elizabeth. Also, and this is inferred because it's never mentioned, they also stole the tech for vigors based off plasmids from rapture. They also stole many other things in general from the tears; music is mentioned, which people loved (obviously because it's loved in its original reality) and it's insinuated that that's where finks fortune comes from.

[Souj]

how do you guys playing on 1999 kill Handymen?

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I got the the part right before you kill Fitzroy. the only enemy I have left is the handyman, but he always kept killing me. I set traps for him, but most the time he just jumps over them, I've tried throwing them at him directly, but he justcharges at means slaps me around, I've tried monkeying around on the skylines and that starts out successul but he always manages to kill me. Most of the time right after I jump down for a skyline attack since it barely stuns him. and no matter how much health I take off of him, when I die, he's back up to 100%.
I did get past him, but only to what I assume was a glitch or maybe he managed to jump off and suicide, but I did a skyline attacks, jumped back quickly onto the rails, and before I got half way around the track, I gave out a death cry and there was a loud explosion and he died.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

Devils kiss traps to his face and run kite around structures. Also, timing helps. Don't just go full retard and throw the traps anymore. Not spoiling this because it has no details to anything important.

[Aevis]

No idea if it's different in 1999 mode, but you can permalock them with Murder of Crows. At least until you run out of vigor.

Finally had a free weekend and used it to finish this. What a game, what an ending! So glad I was able to play through it in two long sessions, as once the pace picks up it just goes full throttle. Everything that follows the final battle is truly one of the greatest moment in gaming history. Not just in content, but the delivery itself.

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Like I spent 5min watching the sunrise at the baptism scene before entering the next door. So beautiful. Same goes for the lighthouses scene.

Also Elizabeth. It takes some time but I never felt that attached to a NPC.

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The biggest achievment they accomplished with her is IMHO, that I couldn't tell when exactly I got so attached. At first, I was rather unimpressed as she starts as that strange, but helpful (godmode) sidekick and obviously helps to develop the (assumed) story. I cared rather for her as NPC rather than as a person until the asylum.

When they took her away, you hear the screams through the tears and I realized, that there is a reality in which I can't rescue her....goosebumps and I was all up in arms. Didn't care about myself and just went in berserk mode. Reached main room, and went straight to pull the two levers, ignoring (or blasting away) everyone in my way. I was so happy and glad once I had her back. I rescued MY Elizabeth.

Two things bothered me tho and thus I'd refer to B:I as one of the best experience, rather than game of all times: One is the way to simple shooter mechanics and how often they occur. Half of the encounters, I was glad to be over with and reach the next story element instead of actually enjoying the fights.

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Not to forget how every single fight comes announced. Oh, a medi-kit tear? You better get your ass ready for a fight.

The other one is the fetch quests. Please go to point A - you can't enter A, you need a Key! Please go to point B - repeat. You also can't shortcut. Although the games lets you roam a bit, you'll find yourself visiting the same places again once the story actually wants you get there.

If you have any questions about the game left or want to check if you missed something, then there's an awesome thread on neogaf. Don't click! if you haven't finished it yet as it explains pretty much everything that can be explained and the pictures alone are huge spoilers:

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533205. What hit me the most was the explanation to why killing Booker would stop Booker becoming Comstock in an infinite realities universe.

[Dominico]

Found an article of basically every weird aspect about the game, including the ending, being explained. Massive spoilers, of course. http://www.computerandvideogames.com...ing-explained/

Just saw the ending again, and man...

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seeing the baby get taken through the tear with Booker frantically chasing after her is freakin heart-wrenching. Almost made me want to yell GIVE ME BACK MY DAUGHTER with him.

[Cichy]

^me too lol

[Salodin]

Omg that point was when the tears started rolling and I saw where this was all gonna lead to...

[Aevis]

Found an article of basically every weird aspect about the game, including the ending, being explained. Massive spoilers, of course. http://www.computerandvideogames.com...ing-explained/

That ending explanation isn't really thought through. Check the neogaf link for a better explanation.

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CVG say, she disappears because she kills him before he can turn into Comstock and thus she can't exist. That's partially wrong, because she can't kill him if she doesn't exist. Also, without further explanation you could assume that with infinite realities, the situation repeats infinite and she always can only kill him after he became Comstock in a different reality, or she wouldn't exist. That wouldn't stop anything.

The real kicker is, that by killing him she creates a paradox. As mentioned above, if she kills him, she can't exist thus can't kill him. Now a paradox can never be a possibility by universal law, it's impossible. Means if there are two possibilities, one that Booker stays Booker and one that Booker becomes Comstock which ultimatively leads to the paradox (created by Elizabeth), only the Booker stays Booker possibility can become true. The Booker becomes Comstock can never happen and that's also the explanation for the after credits scene.

[Salodin]

That ending explanation isn't really thought through. Check the neogaf link for a better explanation.

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CVG say, she disappears because she kills him before he can turn into Comstock and thus she can't exist. That's partially wrong, because she can't kill him if she doesn't exist. Also, without further explanation you could assume that with infinite realities, the situation repeats infinite and she always can only kill him after he became Comstock in a different reality, or she wouldn't exist. That wouldn't stop anything.

The real kicker is, that by killing him she creates a paradox. As mentioned above, if she kills him, she can't exist thus can't kill him. Now a paradox can never be a possibility by universal law, it's impossible. Means if there are two possibilities, one that Booker stays Booker and one that Booker becomes Comstock which ultimatively leads to the paradox (created by Elizabeth), only the Booker stays Booker possibility can become true. The Booker becomes Comstock can never happen and that's also the explanation for the after credits scene.

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You're being silly, the ending is as simple as it's been explained before. By that logic, the beginning of the game where the twins count the number of times you pick heads would be at infinite, but it's not. Also, when old elizabeth takes you to the future, that would have happened to every booker that's gone through it, but it hasn't (she even says every time he tries, songbird killed him). What happens in our version of reality is, all the little things add up to the 123rd booker being able to finally rescue elizabeth and destroy the siphon, allowing elizabeth to transcend time and space (literally) and do the things she does in the finale. She disappears because she takes booker back to the point when he makes the choice to be baptized or not, literally. She went back to the second of his two choices, where he recieves the baptism, and drowns booker so that all resulting timelines from comstock never exist; only the timeline with booker running away exists. But because there is no comstock to come back to his timeline to steal anna, they can both grow up having normal lives. She disappears because she erased the timeline she was "created" in

[Deader2818]

my mind is fucking blown! this game was fucking amazing.

[Kwijiboe]

Finished it for myself. After watching someone else beat it. The end is just amazing and the build up, fantastic. Even if you know it's coming. The game draws you in even deeper. Time to replay it.

[Deader2818]

yeah, i want to try and beat it on 1999 mode but im not very good at FPS, lol. Plus I feel like I should do a run on easy or something to get some stuff I missed (collectables, killing a handy man only shooting it in the heart)

[Kwijiboe]

Forget 1999 mode on console. Suck at aiming with sticks.

[Aevis]

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You're being silly, the ending is as simple as it's been explained before. By that logic, the beginning of the game where the twins count the number of times you pick heads would be at infinite, but it's not. Also, when old elizabeth takes you to the future, that would have happened to every booker that's gone through it, but it hasn't (she even says every time he tries, songbird killed him). What happens in our version of reality is, all the little things add up to the 123rd booker being able to finally rescue elizabeth and destroy the siphon, allowing elizabeth to transcend time and space (literally) and do the things she does in the finale. She disappears because she takes booker back to the point when he makes the choice to be baptized or not, literally. She went back to the second of his two choices, where he recieves the baptism, and drowns booker so that all resulting timelines from comstock never exist; only the timeline with booker running away exists. But because there is no comstock to come back to his timeline to steal anna, they can both grow up having normal lives. She disappears because she erased the timeline she was "created" in

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Err no. You forget that the Luteces actually have to bring Booker into an universe, where he accepts the Baptism and becomes Comstock and what you play is their 123rd try. There's a pretty good (paint skill) graphic on the neogaf article describing this regarding who are the Luteces, same goes for Old Elizabeth: http://www.abload.de/img/bioshockinfinitetimelwqyyh.png

Not to forget, that she can't kill him at the Baptism without creating the paradox. Maybe I worded it wrong, so read the original text "why does killing booker at baptism stop all versions of comstock" here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533205

[Weederr33]

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I cried when Songbird died... I don't know why, but for some reason it got to me.

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