Outpost Warp + Explorer Moogle NPCs Borked?

[Absolutely Virtue]

I think it's funny how back in the day, the hallmark of a good player was someone who announced their TP in party chat for skillchaining. Nowadays, the only players who do that are gimps who play on consoles.

(And yes, I called you a gimp)

But whatever, maybe you don't use situational gear. Or maybe you're a master at pushing 96 macros to change from TP to WS gear. Or maybe you just like laying down on your couch and playing instead of sitting hunched over a computer monitor. I used to farm and fish and fuck around on my 360, and reserve my PC for events. I get that.

But what I will never, ever, ever fucking understand are the people (and it seems like there are a lot of them) who try to play this game without any PC access at all. The kind of people who shout for help with shit they could google in 10 seconds.

If windower suddenly broke I guess I could live with going back to 360 or even my PS2. But I'd probably just play on MNK and would certainly abandon magey jobs. But if I had to play this game for even an hour without handy access to Wiki, etc, I'd fucking lose my mind.

[shepardG]

Yeah. Above windower, above spellcast or some sort of claim tool. Above all these things are people to lazy to look things up... if "FFXI dying" involves lazy fucks quiting, then God damn I'm calling Kevorkian. Unfortunately, most of these people use consoles.

This fucking latest expansion has been out for over a month, and ill still see fuck wads asking what lights do.... nevermind them weaponskilling in dusk gear. Never mind the mages don't understand the benefits of starting in haste/fastcast, ending in potency gear for respective spells. Never mind the pld/nin who full times ACP body. Its when they expect people to baby sit them as they run through abyssea - la thiene. Its when the shout to complete a mission and they, themselves, haven't a clue how to handle the fight.
This thread isn't the place for this stuff, but if the game is forked up on your decade old (near enough) ps2, or hell even your 5 year old Xbox, its time to move on. And I don't mean from this game, I mean from old technology. Price should not be an option at this point, and if it is, you shouldn't be spending all your time in vana'diel anyway.

[Byrthnoth]

Okay guys, so here's how it works:
95% of the people who play FFXI are functionally retarded
4% can do what you tell them as long as you lay it out clearly
1% know what's going on, do the right thing, and don't need constant instructions

You've taken your sample of 30 console users you know and concluded that console users in general are terrible, when you don't actually have enough data to conclude anything at all.

The functional limitations I've found from playing on PS2 basically boil down to:
1) My WAR can only swap 6 pieces when going to WS. Head/Neck/Ring1/Hands/Feet/Waist, done. I'd swap an earring, maybe ammo, and potentially back and body sometimes if I had more space. However, my WS gear for those slots is what I TP in except for Steel Cyclone, which I don't use as a player with useful jobs.
2) RDM/NIN tanking was a bitch with a 6-slot macro limitations. I know I never lived up to the possibilities here, and as a result I only tanked JoL because I couldn't swap all my PDT gear on in time for TP moves. If I press macros too quickly the ends of the previous macro don't get executed, so I had to wait a bit for each to execute and there just wasn't enough time. JoL's worthwhile spells take time to cast and it's obvious when he's summoning, so I had plenty of time and could baby my macros along.
3) I can't see other people's TP. This makes me kinda pissed when I'm in a party with SAMs and Dragoons and we could be making Light regularly if I could see when to mix in KJs. It's also annoying if I'm trying to break trial weapons.
4) Obviously I can't do things that require AP radar. VNM is ridiculously annoying and Sheep in Antlion's Clothing has never been an option for me.

So, my functional limitations mostly hurt me. They may gimp me a bit in the future, but at the moment it's mostly me. You guys just haven't met the upper 5%. Also, playing on console means you aren't required to have PC internet access nearby, but it doesn't preclude it. I catch wireless internet with my computer and feed it out the ethernet port to my PS2, so I'm not online if my computer is off. A bit of a complicated solution, but it let me get around my campus's MMO proxy.

[Aquilo86]

Okay guys, so here's how it works:
95% of the people who play FFXI are functionally retarded
4% can do what you tell them as long as you lay it out clearly
1% know what's going on, do the right thing, and don't need constant instructions

You've taken your sample of 30 console users you know and concluded that console users in general are terrible, when you don't actually have enough data to conclude anything at all.

The functional limitations I've found from playing on PS2 basically boil down to:
1) My WAR can only swap 6 pieces when going to WS. Head/Neck/Ring1/Hands/Feet/Waist, done. I'd swap an earring, maybe ammo, and potentially back and body sometimes if I had more space. However, my WS gear for those slots is what I TP in except for Steel Cyclone, which I don't use as a player with useful jobs.
2) RDM/NIN tanking was a bitch with a 6-slot macro limitations. I know I never lived up to the possibilities here, and as a result I only tanked JoL because I couldn't swap all my PDT gear on in time for TP moves. If I press macros too quickly the ends of the previous macro don't get executed, so I had to wait a bit for each to execute and there just wasn't enough time. JoL's worthwhile spells take time to cast and it's obvious when he's summoning, so I had plenty of time and could baby my macros along.
3) I can't see other people's TP. This makes me kinda pissed when I'm in a party with SAMs and Dragoons and we could be making Light regularly if I could see when to mix in KJs. It's also annoying if I'm trying to break trial weapons.
4) Obviously I can't do things that require AP radar. VNM is ridiculously annoying and Sheep in Antlion's Clothing has never been an option for me.

So, my functional limitations mostly hurt me. They may gimp me a bit in the future, but at the moment it's mostly me. You guys just haven't met the upper 5%. Also, playing on console means you aren't required to have PC internet access nearby, but it doesn't preclude it. I catch wireless internet with my computer and feed it out the ethernet port to my PS2, so I'm not online if my computer is off. A bit of a complicated solution, but it let me get around my campus's MMO proxy.

You must be in that 4% then

You can change all your gear with a quick set of macros using the function that switches your macro page... example:

just line up 3 sets of macros

/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/macro set 2

/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/macro set 3

/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/ws w/e <t>
/macro set 1

Then just do something similar to put your tp gear back on... its easy to just hit the same macro 3 times when you want to do something, stop being lazy then complaining about functional limitations of console players lol. There, I've laid it out for you clearly... You can join me in the 1% now :D

[Aquilo86]

Oh, and I started on PS2 waaaaaaaaaay back in the day and I used to occasionally have the same issue with OP and signet NPCs, that glitch has been around forever

[Byrthnoth]

Wow, you must have started so long ago that you've forgotten the atrocious lag PS2 has when switching macro sets.

[Yugl]

Do equipment stats proc without the wait in front of WS/Abilities? I've been using /wait 1 for Drakes/Jump.

[Byrthnoth]

Do equipment stats proc without the wait in front of WS/Abilities? I've been using /wait 1 for Drakes/Jump.

I use:
/equip "Dancer's Tiara" <me>
/ja "Haste Samba" <me>

and I'm 99% get the extended duration all the time.

[Yugl]

Sounds good. I was sick of that delay between WS and changing gear.

[Byrthnoth]

Sounds good. I was sick of that delay between WS and changing gear.

I still keep them in separate macros, partially so I can choose which WS to use and partially because I like don't want to give up one of my 6 pieces of gear.

[Gabril]

You must be in that 4% then

You can change all your gear with a quick set of macros using the function that switches your macro page... example:

just line up 3 sets of macros

/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/macro set 2

/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/macro set 3

/equip w/e
/equip w/e
/ws w/e <t>
/macro set 1

Then just do something similar to put your tp gear back on... its easy to just hit the same macro 3 times when you want to do something, stop being lazy then complaining about functional limitations of console players lol. There, I've laid it out for you clearly... You can join me in the 1% now :D

Beat me to it, this is what I do. I hit 2/3 macros to WS depending on job and what I'm doing. 3macros to get back into TP set generally. 3macros to go from RDM idle to full MND for slow/para etc. And yes it you hit them to fast, youll mess it up, but once you get used to it, its not bad at all. I can use these macros without messing up my DRK 6hit build (not ws'ing soon as I hit 100% etc) in Einherjar / other laggy areas.

[Yugl]

Beat me to it, this is what I do. I hit 2/3 macros to WS depending on job and what I'm doing. 3macros to get back into TP set generally. 3macros to go from RDM idle to full MND for slow/para etc. And yes it you hit them to fast, youll mess it up, but once you get used to it, its not bad at all. I can use these macros without messing up my DRK 6hit build (not ws'ing soon as I hit 100% etc) in Einherjar / other laggy areas.

I don't get it. If you're not WSing as soon as you hit 100% TP, then how are you taking advantage of an X-hit build?

[Byrthnoth]

Also, I find that the "/macro set _" command takes at least as long to execute as another macro. Like, I can do:

/equip ____ 1
/equip ____ 2
/equip ____ 3
/equip ____ 4
/equip ____ 5
/macro set _

and be back in the macro original macro set clicking something else before /macro set _ completes. The whole benefit of /macro set _ is lost when it takes as long to execute as another macro. If it's any slower than me hitting right or left, the benefit is already gone because I could put the macros next to each other instead of on different sets. Good idea in theory, doesn't work in practice because /macro set _ on PS2 is much slower than on PC.

[Onorgul]

You know, I'm willing to respect someone who'll only use the game as shipped, but if the PS2 is that sluggish and you have a PC (and this game is ancient, you could run this on a Dell with WindowsME loaded), I cannot fathom why you'd stay on the console.

[Eugene]

Okay guys, so here's how it works:
95% of the people who play FFXI are functionally retarded
4% can do what you tell them as long as you lay it out clearly
1% know what's going on, do the right thing, and don't need constant instructions

You've taken your sample of 30 console users you know and concluded that console users in general are terrible, when you don't actually have enough data to conclude anything at all.

Going by what you said, 95% of ffxi players are functionally retarded. Then its a good bet that in general console users are in fact terrible, along with pc users.

. . .

On a serious note, the problem isn't ps2 perse. The problem is that the genuises at se decided to develop ffxi for ps2 software primarily, instead of what they are doing for 14 and developing the game on pc first.

Ever wonder why all inventory spaces are locked at maximum 80 so they have to give us more inventories rather than expanding existing ones? Not because the ps2 can't count higher than 80. The memory protocols developed to track inventory are so poorly designed (using the ps2 as a model) that the inventory cannot be held in memory unless the whole inventory system was recoded in a logical way.

Its not like a ps2 can't to do more than 7 inputs at a time. The devs when writing the initial architecture of the game didn't see a reason to go past 6 slots on a macro, and took the way out that seemed easiest. Create a macro system that works for ps2 and isnt a headache to write.

I don't know enough about the coding of the game to know how deeply this issue lies, but its enough that theres no incentive for se to fix the engines, especially at this point.

Thankfully and iirc 14 was written for pc first, and assuming they get the game functioning properly it should be more logically ordered. Thats not to say it wont be a headache translating the system to ps3.

So all those haters of the ps2 are technically right, ps2 limitations for sure. However its not the hardware thats holding the game back. The original ps2 coding for the game destroyed the game for everyone (thankfully windower rehooks the whole thing and addresses alot of the issues through workarounds).

[Byrthnoth]

You know, I'm willing to respect someone who'll only use the game as shipped, but if the PS2 is that sluggish and you have a PC (and this game is ancient, you could run this on a Dell with WindowsME loaded), I cannot fathom why you'd stay on the console.

Sorry, meant "Personal Computer." It's actually a 5 year old PowerPC Mac.

[Yugl]

You mean FFXI is dead?

Games die when they are killed?!

[Tekki]

Yeah. Above windower, above spellcast or some sort of claim tool. Above all these things are people to lazy to look things up... if "FFXI dying" involves lazy fucks quiting, then God damn I'm calling Kevorkian. Unfortunately, most of these people use consoles.

This fucking latest expansion has been out for over a month, and ill still see fuck wads asking what lights do.... nevermind them weaponskilling in dusk gear. Never mind the mages don't understand the benefits of starting in haste/fastcast, ending in potency gear for respective spells. Never mind the pld/nin who full times ACP body. Its when they expect people to baby sit them as they run through abyssea - la thiene. Its when the shout to complete a mission and they, themselves, haven't a clue how to handle the fight.
This thread isn't the place for this stuff, but if the game is forked up on your decade old (near enough) ps2, or hell even your 5 year old Xbox, its time to move on. And I don't mean from this game, I mean from old technology. Price should not be an option at this point, and if it is, you shouldn't be spending all your time in vana'diel anyway.

every time you post sherp i just think of you doing this, http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...t/135d6a45.jpg to the computer screen