Dynamis incentive @ lvl 80+

[cdgreg]

haven't even looked at all to see if this is useful but, here's some stuff:

http://khoisan.livejournal.com/15302.html

I really hate to be this guy cause I was excited for some data, but 100 sample size...? Not looking to turn this into a TH debate again though, ppl can search function threads of bickering on that *unanswered* debate.

Also do you realize the difference between TH3 and TH4? It's 1%. It's been tested extensively which I rather not dig up...

Please do, the community as a whole would enjoy seeing this.

[Spider-Dan]

Because back then the average player valued AF2 equipment more than Dynamis Currency.

Remember, "back then" = 2008. And your argument doesn't hold water... "back then," people also valued sky gear highly, but if you joined a LS where the "sponsor" (i.e. leader) got all the money drops from sky, they would have been (correctly) called out as running a corrupt operation.

Nowdays you can call it a scam because the average player has a completely different view on this kind of system, but the old sponsor LSes made both leaders and members happy so it's hard to define it that way.

This is not unlike saying that the old industrial factory towns of the 19th century (where you work the for company and get paid in Rockefeller Bucks, which you use to pay for your company housing and buy groceries from the company store) must have been a pretty fair deal, because people kept working there, right?

The old Dynamis system was able to survive because the robber baron leaders (read: pretty much anyone who got a "sponsored" relic) made sure to keep the numbers quiet, and virulently attacked anyone who suggested that they might be actually profiting from sponsorship.

And let's not forget the reason why most members stuck around long after they had the 1 useful city relic drop; they were waiting for a chance at a Northlands relic, only the leadership was busy spamming cities to fill their pockets. I guess that's pretty effective when it comes to keeping Northlands relic gear rare and desirable, isn't it?

Oh, and if you should be lucky enough to actually get the gear that you wanted (or even if you didn't) and decide to leave the shell, you get to have the "you got what you wanted, and now you're quitting" guilt trip played on you; if you're lucky, maybe you'll get blacklisted from other endgame LSes, too. Gotta keep the earners earning!

Leaders were the smarter ones of course, but it's too late to judge them.

No, it isn't. I've been judging them for years, and I see no reason to stop.

[ronin sparthos]

Oh, and if you should be lucky enough to actually get the gear that you wanted (or even if you didn't) and decide to leave the shell, you get to have the "you got what you wanted, and now you're quitting" guilt trip played on you; if you're lucky, maybe you'll get blacklisted from other endgame LSes, too. Gotta keep the earners earning!

lol.

Well said.

[FailureMidgard]

The old Dynamis system was able to survive because the robber baron leaders (read: pretty much anyone who got a "sponsored" relic) made sure to keep the numbers quiet, and virulently attacked anyone who suggested that they might be actually profiting from sponsorship.

I realize you said "pretty much anyone", but realize there are people that sponsored that were not leaders, and there are people that sponsored and fully understand that it's equivalent to a LS-assisted relic. There's nothing inherently wrong in an LS assisting with a relic - there is obviously something wrong with deceit in regards to just how much gil worth of currency was being made, if that was the case. And there's a lot wrong with the few people I've seen argue that relics from these sponsored runs are somehow different than getting LS assistance.

Otherwise, I mostly agree with you.

[orson]

I really hate to be this guy cause I was excited for some data, but 100 sample size...? Not looking to turn this into a TH debate again though, ppl can search function threads of bickering on that *unanswered* debate.


Please do, the community as a whole would enjoy seeing this.

^This is always the problem that almost all TH tests run into. Too small of sample sizes and too many uncontrolled variables. I'm not disagreeing that TH3 -> 4 isn't a tiny upgrade but we have literally almost no clue the exact % of increases. Especially when it seems TH is more effective on certain mobs but even that could just be blind luck if not tested enough.

[Zag]

^This is always the problem that almost all TH tests run into. Too small of sample sizes and too many uncontrolled variables. I'm not disagreeing that TH3 -> 4 isn't a tiny upgrade but we have literally almost no clue the exact % of increases. Especially when it seems TH is more effective on certain mobs but even that could just be blind luck if not tested enough.

Seeing as our website had Every NM killed in sea written down on record. My sample size was more then 800 jailers. Even though Im eyeballing, I would still go on to say that TH4 is much higher then just 1%. I always looked at it as +1 to the TH trait in itself, not +1% to TH3.

Either way back to dynamis discussion....

I was in a dynamis LS years ago when the hourglass was 1mil and it was hard to consistantly farm 1mil to sponsor yourself after the deflation occured. Alot of the zones were us being guinea pigs to the CoP zones and consistantly either failing them or getting crap coin drops. Despite paying 1mil hourglass for only 20 coins... our dynamis leader decided not ever give up and learn every zone properly.

Dynamis tavnazia is an extremely popular zone even to this day. Now you cannot possibly lie to me and say that ppl are there for the coins in dynamis Tav. People do it for lolhydra gear, the title, or AF2/acc/AF2+1 etc. Any veteran player who still needs AF2 will probably use this zone however which will leave you dry when upgrading a relic.

P.S
For the record, the dynamis leader did not profit like a scam artist. Our leader lost millions of gil on CoP zones when noone knew how to do them, and when we did cities, he probably saved about 100 coins out of the 300 that we got and used the other 200 to buy an hourglass while he completely lost hourglasses in CoP zones multiple times with nomore then 10 coins.
It took him 5 years to get his aegis, but thats as legit as you would get on a relic weapon without scamming.

[Thorny]

It took him 5 years to get his aegis, but thats as legit as you would get on a relic weapon without scamming.

There are people who paid for their relic weapons themselves, without taking advantage of a dynamis linkshell or using a linkshell bank or one of the silly pyramid scheme 'bank funds last stage' systems. That isn't one of them. Taking years to learn how to do dynamis just makes you sound like a moron.

[Zag]

I never said he took 5 yrs to learn dynamis.....

He saved 10% of the coins the run to make his relic and used the 90% of them to fund the 1 million gil hourglassIt took about 5 years this way.

Also, noone did CoP dynamis at that time and were failing it left and right. There was no wiki for it or maps online or any strats that showed how to clear the zone. Being the first to try the new CoP zones when they first came out led us to fail alot. This was before CoP became easy mode years later.

[Thorny]

1m in 2005 was less than 500k is now, by far.. not sure how you're saying it took 90% of currency to pay back glass or how sucking at dyna for 5 years is more legit than buying your own

[Zag]

There was a deflation period where the glass was 1mil but the servers economy was poor. Not to mention we rarely did cities and spammed CoP zones nearly all year. You can't possibly tell me CoP zones drop more then 150coins with 20 level 75 players. Bosses rarely drop x4, 100 coins. Either way it only like 3 runs per new zone to learn how to clear it. 3 times to finally kill qufim boss, about 3 times to learn dunes when it first came out etc. A few times to learn how to clear tavazia etc.
You probably never led a dynamis before back then you musta forgot how hard it actually was. Very few linkshells could even touch dynamis Lord or the fragments (before they depopped.)

Dynamis is a joke now, everyone has capped merits, easy mode job abilities and nasty subjob combinations with the newer jobs. Its easy to 100% clear every mob even in xarcabard but it wasn't to say it was always like this.

[Sukian]

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.h...;num=89;page=1

post count =! knows what they are talking about.

incoming 3k is too small of sample size.

[Spider-Dan]

I was in a dynamis LS years ago when the hourglass was 1mil and it was hard to consistantly farm 1mil to sponsor yourself after the deflation occured.

This.
Never.
Happened.

If someone told you that they were "having a hard time farming 1mil" in city Dynamis, they were f*cking lying to you. Allow me to cite from the 2-year-old Dynamis thread mentioned earlier:

I wanted to get home first, so I could get the drop stats from my last Dynamis run:

O.Bronzepiece x308
M.Silverpiece x7

At market rate of 8k per, that's a haul of 8m+. With ZERO Silverpieces, that's STILL a haul of 2.464m.

So, to summarize:

- glasses were 1m
- bronzes were 8k each (the cheapest they've ever been on my server, I believe)
- Dynamis gave ~7m profit at that time
- even with ZERO 100 drops, that run STILL would have generated ~1.5m profit

This was when currency prices were at their LOWEST and glass prices were at their HIGHEST.

Now, are you going to have those kind of currency drops on CoP or northlands? Of course not. But you are talking about 2005, when currency was what, 20-30k each? (Feel free to chime in.) At a rate of 25k/bronze, my Dynamis run would have netted 24 MILLION GIL. FOR ONE CITY RUN. And I'm supposed to feel sympathy for a few bad CoP runs?

Anyone who sponsored in the pre-TAU era was making out like a f*cking bandit. If they claim otherwise, THEY ARE LYING.

[Zag]

Some of it was post CoP after deflation but I see what you mean. pre-ToAU was a goldmine in terms of coins and I kind of wish I was playing the game since the very first day it came out to take advantage of so many inflation moments. I love selling items on the AH and rarely ever buy them so that era would have suited me so nicely.

I might not ever get a relic, but i'm not gonna stop trying to complete stage 4and 5. But I would of had a huge advantage had I done dynamis sponsoring at that time you mentioned when coins were 25k each for singles.I'm Kinda jealous.

[nitsuj]

Some of it was post CoP after deflation but I see what you mean. pre-ToAU was a goldmine in terms of coins and I kind of wish I was playing the game since the very first day it came out to take advantage of so many inflation moments. I love selling items on the AH and rarely ever buy them so that era would have suited me so nicely.

I might not ever get a relic, but i'm not gonna stop trying to complete stage 4and 5. But I would of had a huge advantage had I done dynamis sponsoring at that time you mentioned when coins were 25k each for singles.I'm Kinda jealous.

To be fair, the only way to really judge inflation values is in retrospect. So being someone who played for many years and during a lot of the inflation, it's not always that easy to judge.

For example, a lot of items have dropped significantly since the level increase (serket ring, peacock charm, hedgehog bomb etc). Most of it is just in panic, a lot of it is justified. But we won't really know until some time passes and the prices stabilize to their new values.

So don't beat yourself up over it.

[Don Katsu]

I'm thinking of putting together a 12man 80+ (with upcoming version update) static to farm currency, in hopes of finishing my Anamo.(Stage 3)

My question is, what incentives could one such as myself, not running any type of event LS (points earned in dyna= points for items elsewhere) could I offer as incentive?

Best I've come up with its splitting the currency among the static, seeing that I'm in no real hurry to finish the Amano. I have not a solid figure in mind, but I'd definitely consider a 60/40-50/50 split, tho more flexible should I need be.

As level cap rises, a majority of AF2, (not implying all AF2 mind you), is becoming increasingly less useful overall.

Just looking for feedback, idea's from those that are used to leading dynamis, and events overall that may be facing the same lack of interest from members.

Would be nice to obtain a relic before the game runs it's course.I >may< do runs on my girlfriends toon to increase currency income should I find a formula that works.

Any feedback/idea's etc are welcome. Would be nice to obtain a relic before the game runs it's course. And I have my gf's Rdm to duo trials with, so that's a non issue. Anyway:

Thanks in advance.

To help answer your question: Find a bunch of RDMs without hats and THFs without their TH hands. Get them to come on other jobs and beat around the bush when it comes to doing Dynamis-Xarcabard-Tavnazia.