Is it still Sam or gtfo?

[darkhorror]

Yeah TP return from WS lowers hit needed to get to 100tp by 2. So if it takes 7 hits to get to 100 tp, then that means it's WS + 5 hits. But it's 7 hit build to hit 100% tp. But that doesn't really change anything, nothing really being argued here.

So lets just say tornado Kick + 5 hits

[Atoreis]

Hmmm I think im missing something. Footwork should be better then nonFootwork for tanking everything that has no dispel tp move or spell.
+10%att, MUCH lower tp feed (I usually lowman), similar or higher dmg.
Since I got poise and oat claws I always tank on footwork and I cant really imagine how normal punching could be any better.

[Appie]

5. Not sure how Asuran works on TP fed. My understanding is it's the exact same as 2 punches though (assuming the first 2 hits land).

Yup

I'm not going to ask for more math, but do you know off hand: are MNK/NIN, SAM/NIN and NIN/whatever the three best jobs as far as givning a mob TP? Do you know which job is generally the worst? DRK? RNG? DRG?

THF by miles, unless it runs full Dragon gear set? XD

The rest looked pretty on par with each other to me back when I looked at it in like 2005, not as detailed as the math Failure posted here, but it looked mostly to me back then as a toss up between MNK and SAM>WAR/DRK/DRG etc.

Hmmm I think im missing something. Footwork should be better then nonFootwork for tanking everything that has no dispel tp move or spell.
+10%att, MUCH lower tp feed (I usually lowman), similar or higher dmg.
Since I got poise and oat claws I always tank on footwork and I cant really imagine how normal punching could be any better.

Only exception that comes to mind is Spharai, if only for the better offence and defence it brings at the cost of a bit more tp feed

[Atoreis]

Only exception that comes to mind is Spharai, if only for the better offence and defence it brings at the cost of a bit more tp feed

Yeah exactly what I tho so I honestly dont understand why would you compare nonfootwork mnk to sam on mobs that cant dispel footwork. Lets not use seigan on SAM then

[Atoreis]

It's not THAT far ahead and once you add a cor in for fighter's roll str/attack claws slightly edge out.

If no war in the pt then they're about even.

I'm not sure about sam roll, but don't think anyone is gonna change a pt roll just for the mnk.

Fighter Roll still greatly boost Ws dmg from tornado when do nothing for Asuran ( Im aware of speculating that da can be triggered when some hit miss for better overall acc )

[Churchill]

Saying something won't get nerfed is pretty ignorant.

There have been so many nerfs that I'm sure only a few people still playing actually remember that didn't make the game more realistic or playable, but rather made it so X job was no longer better than Y-W jobs.

Otherwise, you'd have never seen a 2H adjustment because all jobs would still receive full TP for every swing of their multi-hit WS, Rangers would still do more damage than a SAM or OAT3 MNK and DRG would have never had a phase where they sucked...aside from their 2h being a wyvern, but that was a good change.

I don't think anything should be nerfed, but there's nothing stopping SE from doing it if they want to do it.

[Atoreis]

Saying something won't get nerfed is pretty ignorant.

There have been so many nerfs that I'm sure only a few people still playing actually remember that didn't make the game more realistic or playable, but rather made it so X job was no longer better than Y-W jobs.

Otherwise, you'd have never seen a 2H adjustment because all jobs would still receive full TP for every swing of their multi-hit WS, Rangers would still do more damage than a SAM or OAT3 MNK and DRG would have never had a phase where they sucked...aside from their 2h being a wyvern, but that was a good change.

I don't think anything should be nerfed, but there's nothing stopping SE from doing it if they want to do it.

Trying to predict what will be nerfed and not using it now is even more ignorant. Lets just stop playing till 99 update and final path till we all know what will be best instead of just enjoy the game.

[Dooom]

Trying to predict what will be nerfed and not using it now is even more ignorant. Lets just stop playing till 99 update and final path till we all know what will be best instead of just enjoy the game.

This a thousand times. I'm completely open to the possibility than OA3 and Footwork will be "adjusted" come update time, but I'm not going to go around saying it will or won't be. Nor do I like it when people say "oh you could do this Magian weapon, but I think next update will make another path stronger". Trying to predict what SE will do is a hopeless, fruitless task.

[Churchill]

I don't recall predicting either way what will happen

[Zag]

wrong thread nvm.