SC2 E-Sports Thread

[altwight]

yea choya was making me mad. i was yelling ZEALOT LEGS half the match. I wanted choya to win but after that I was really just hoping MVP would stomp him.

[Thunder]

lol, whole game I was saying this is why we don't have protoss in the GSL.

But what about Iron! "Me all in. He drone drone drone. Me win." That interview, along with maka's mic antics, are totally the best.

[Julian]

Catz isn't a new guy, he's been playing since the beta and is the leader of Root who has some of the best american players out there (Drewbie, Kiwikaki).

North America.

Like half of them are Canadian, lol.

[Terrestrialrage]

Welp, GSL3 turning out not quite as i expected...

Spoiler: show

The 3 good Toss are still in it, Zerg have all been crushed besides the two previous champions, and the Terran's chances of winning are looking slim at best (I honestly dont think Jinro or Rain can beat Nestea, MarineKing is a fluke). I still like zerg to take the championship and have our second 2-championship player. Gonna be one hell of a ro8 though... If a Toss wins, i'll be happily surprised.

[Thunder]

I have to agree that Nestea's chances are looking really good.. Rain is probably the best player he could be matched up with between the other 6 guys(perhaps choya is a worse player). I wouldn't want him winning two GSLs

But terrans aren't looking that bad. They've got Foxer(who's no fluke! GSL2 finalist, Gstar finalist) and Jinro in it(who's proving to be damn good if it wasn't evident enough). I could have only asked for Maka who had to face Nestea in a close series.

I'm really glad toss actually made it to the RO8 this time. Although I wouldn't be surprised them all getting eliminated before RO4.

[Iku]

NesTea vs TSL_Rain:

Prediction: Nestea is very solid against T. So he probably win the series. Rain is good but just not enough to take down Nestea.

Fruitdealer vs HongUnPrime:

Prediction: I am biased about this one. FD is good but HongUnPrime is very good protoss. But with Tester help, FD may be able to take the series.So im betting on FD.

Foxer vs oGsMC

Prediction: MC will win. Foxer has no experience against great Protoss. The last Protoss he played in GSL is Sang Ho which made huge mistakes in game 1 and weird shit build in game 2. His bio army will be punished like a bitch by colossi as long as MC survived the initial bunker rush.

Jinro vs Choya:

Prediction: Jinro may get to round 8 but his bracket was fairly easy. PoltPrime takes out SlayersBoxer was a huge plus for Jinro. He doesnt have to face that monster. Choya is a good player but his play was not super impressive like HongUnPrime or oGsMC. 50% on winning for Jinro.

[Falaras]

NesTea vs TSL_Rain:

Prediction: Nestea is very solid against T. So he probably win the series. Rain is good but just not enough to take down Nestea.

Fruitdealer vs HongUnPrime:

Prediction: I am biased about this one. FD is good but HongUnPrime is very good protoss. But with Tester help, FD may be able to take the series.So im betting on FD.

Foxer vs oGsMC

Prediction: MC will win. Foxer has no experience against great Protoss. The last Protoss he played in GSL is Sang Ho which made huge mistakes in game 1 and weird shit build in game 2. His bio army will be punished like a bitch by colossi as long as MC survived the initial bunker rush.

Jinro vs Choya:

Prediction: Jinro may get to round 8 but his bracket was fairly easy. PoltPrime takes out SlayersBoxer was a huge plus for Jinro. He doesnt have to face that monster. Choya is a good player but his play was not super impressive like HongUnPrime or oGsMC. 50% on winning for Jinro.

Prediction: Jinro may get to round 8 but his bracket was fairly easy. PoltPrime takes out SlayersBoxer was a huge plus for Jinro. He doesnt have to face that monster. Choya is a good player but his play was not super impressive like HongUnPrime or oGsMC. 50% on winning for Jinro.

Is that a joke? He played against the best warcraft 3 player of all time and the person who took out one of the best starcraft 1 players of all time.

[Thunder]

I don't know what's up with people saying Foxer sucks. Is it seriously because a strategy was leaps and bounds better than everything else and he ONLY used that strategy? He beat Tester, after GSL2 where he beat Sang-ho, in that all star thing. His bio play is obviously strong and bio is notably stronger against P than it is against zerg. He's definitely good and top-tier material. In fact, "he never played good protoss" should be said about Nestea who lost to genius round one in the all-star event.

Jinro had no more of an easy road than any of the other guys in RO8. Also, it's notable to add that SlayersBoxer's best match was TvT and he lost to Polt, who then lost to Jinro. Take that for what it's worth.

Also, choya and rain aren't top 8 material, let alone top 4. Jinro and Nestea better take it.

[Iku]

Is that a joke? He played against the best warcraft 3 player of all time and the person who took out one of the best starcraft 1 players of all time.

WC3 is not the same as SC2. Both game requires different skills. Just because you are good at WC3, it will not make you good at SC2. Poltprime is a decent player but he is not one of the better Terran in Korea. He won against Boxer with his allin. His game with jinro was just tragic.

Jinro is good player. But so far in the tournament, the only good match from Jinro is the first game with Polt, where he outplayed his opponent like a boss.

I never said Foxer sucks. It is just his playstyle. His playstyle does not do well against VR rush, which MC is fairly good at. MC likes to do 2 gate VR and than transition into Colossi, which will crush Foxer playstyle. About NesTea vs. Genius, Genius loves to build Colossi, which makes him fairly weak in early game. That is why he got knocked out early in GSL3, when opponent put heavy early pressure on him.

[Falaras]

WC3 is not the same as SC2. Both game requires different skills. Just because you are good at WC3, it will not make you good at SC2. Poltprime is a decent player but he is not one of the better Terran in Korea. He won against Boxer with his allin. His game with jinro was just tragic.

Jinro is good player. But so far in the tournament, the only good match from Jinro is the first game with Polt, where he outplayed his opponent like a boss.

I never said Foxer sucks. It is just his playstyle. His playstyle does not do well against VR rush, which MC is fairly good at. MC likes to do 2 gate VR and than transition into Colossi, which will crush Foxer playstyle. About NesTea vs. Genius, Genius loves to build Colossi, which makes him fairly weak in early game. That is why he got knocked out early in GSL3, when opponent put heavy early pressure on him.

Except that WC3 players tend to have insanely good micro, which Moon does, and he trains for both games (If I remember right he isn't the only Fox member to make it in). There is no doubt Moon is a very good player and his games so far have been baller. Just because Poltprime fucked up the second game against Jinro doesn't mean he's bad either, the first game was fine and I only saw one game vs Boxer but that one was good too. Prime is a professional team also, so it's not like he is just some nobody.

I mean I would peg Jinro or FD to win the GSL3 entirely, but because Koreans are so good at their All-in's, Timing Attacks, and Cheese, basically anyone that makes it into the RO64 could win.

[geno]

Just want to point out, bitbybit was in prime as well. I think he speaks for himself.

I have a ton of respect for jinro, but yeah I don't think moon was the toughest guy there. I'm not sure jinro would have done as well against some of the better macro and management zergs (nestea, fd, even idra and ret) with the way he played. But on the other hand, jinro has also shown he can vary up his playstyle, so maybe he would approach them differently. I am excited to see a real test of his tvp now. Choya taking out MVP is no small victory.

[Thunder]

I never said Foxer sucks. It is just his playstyle. His playstyle does not do well against VR rush, which MC is fairly good at. MC likes to do 2 gate VR and than transition into Colossi, which will crush Foxer playstyle. About NesTea vs. Genius, Genius loves to build Colossi, which makes him fairly weak in early game. That is why he got knocked out early in GSL3, when opponent put heavy early pressure on him.

I was more or less ranting on about Foxer. And relative to that rant I think it's wrong to, at this state in the game, go on about people's "playstyles". Perhaps MC favors 2gate/stargate openers but I'm sure if you've figured that out Foxer/prime would as well which could change his potential builds. Also, I wanna point out that genius didn't lose because he likes colossus. He did it WAY too early WHILE putting up a fresh expansion. Because of that he only had 5 zealots, 2 sentries, an immortal, and 2 stalkers out while Rain was at.. 3 banshees, 4 tanks, bunch of marines, a raven, and SCVs. Sinking 800/400 resources that could have been units while your opponent is 1base allin'ing will lose you the game. Genius is a pretty good toss imo and I'm disappointed Rain took him out the way he did.

Anyway, a point I want to make is that it's too early to peg people for "things they like to do". Game's changing very often and you never know if a guy like MC or MarineKing is going to debut an innovative strategy.

I'm predicting the winner of MC/Marineking to win the whole thing. Really don't want Rain/choya to win because I think they're bad, and I don't want FD or Nestea to win again because fans will be all over that shit with "HE'S THE BEST IN THE WORLD 2 GSL WINS OOOOOOMG".

[Falaras]

Just want to point out, bitbybit was in prime as well. I think he speaks for himself.

I have a ton of respect for jinro, but yeah I don't think moon was the toughest guy there. I'm not sure jinro would have done as well against some of the better macro and management zergs (nestea, fd, even idra and ret) with the way he played. But on the other hand, jinro has also shown he can vary up his playstyle, so maybe he would approach them differently. I am excited to see a real test of his tvp now. Choya taking out MVP is no small victory.

I have great confidence Jinro could demolish IdrA and Ret, FD on the other hand is a breed apart so it's not really fair saying FD would be harder than moon which is a given.

[geno]

I wouldn't be so confident in a jinro vs idra/ret match. Jinro played a much more passive, expand heavy, lategame style against moon and that is pretty much the specialty of idra and ret. They both got knocked out to really early heavy pressure or timing attacks, and I'm just not as confident in Jinro's ability to pull out that card if he needs to (mainly because we haven't seen it very much from him).

[altwight]

lol @ playing wc3 doesn't make you good at sc2.

[Thunder]

RO8 spoiler

Spoiler: show

Wtf GSL.

Rain beating Nestea is a huge upset. Every loss was to Marine/SCV rushes <.< man, that sucks. Last game I was freaking out because Nestea had all of his drones next to the spine crawler ready to defend and I wanted a second crawler put down to ensure him not losing.

HongUn at least put up a good show. I liked the fast expand double stargate play beating a 1base all-in. That was pretty awesome to me when in that other thread someone was saying 1base roach > regular stargate opening.

At least we wont have repeat winners though...

[altwight]

gsl rigged

[Terrestrialrage]

/sadface. Quite disappointing indeed...

[Thunder]

Spoiler: show

Q. Do you have the desire to be the champion?
A. I will prepare properly for sure according to the maps chosen. I think I can make it to the finals if I prepare properly.

Bet he falls back to cheese like a bitch.

Q. You won a lot of matches through cheese rushes.
A. I didn't have a lot of practice due to some personal issues. I had to prepare quickly, so I did not have a lot of time to practice macro-oriented games.

If anything, that's a pretty good excuse to give to keep the fans from crucifying you.
Even if it is a lie. What's more important than outright winning ~$5,000 and getting in the position to win 20,000 more... to get a position to win 63,000 more.

It's crazy how someone like Nestea could be cheesed out of a BO5. He fucked up a little but come on... EVERY loss is to the same marine/scv all-in.

[Falaras]

Considering the GSL is pretty much all cheese but 3-4 players and the #1 player on the american ladder ONLY cheeses, I think blizzard should stop changing stupid shit and just nerf cheese into the ground.